Summary
Donald Trump reiterated his claim that Canada would be better as the U.S.’s 51st state, citing trade imbalances and lower taxes.
He also announced new 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, including from Canada, despite a recent 30-day reprieve.
Canadian PM Justin Trudeau has not formally responded, but a government source said they await official confirmation.
Trump criticized Canada’s defense spending and border security, despite recent Canadian commitments.
Canada previously retaliated against similar tariffs in 2018 before a 2019 trade deal resolved the dispute.
Cherished my ass. You’ve done nothing but disrespect them since you were elected. The only thing you want is their resources so you can hoard a few 100 mil before you kick the bucket in a few years. Which I find completely ridiculous because it’s not like you get to take money into the afterlife, if there even is one.
He knows he’s going to the burning afterlife so he’s going to try and pay off the guy in charge.
An invasion of Canada would result in so many Americans defecting and fighting for Canada or not cooperating and probably a Civil War when the west coast states (and possibly New England) secede. I imagine the military leadership would sooner stage a coup than cooperate and invade/occupy Canada. Plus, the entire world would side with Canada.
It’s the ramblings of a senile buffoon. There’s absolutely no one else calling for this (or invading Greenland/Panama) and no support from 80% of Americans — and close to 100% with people of fighting age. Even most MAGA idiots are isolationists.
And don’t forget, basically every major U.S. city is extremely blue. When you look at a red state/blue state map, remember that it’s actually an urban/rural divide. Port cities are especially blue. (Look at Louisiana for an example. A deep red state but Orleans Parish went 82% for Harris/Walz. Good luck winning any war with 90% of the port cities in full revolt.)
It’s horrifying that I could see Greenland being his Poland and Canada being his France.
It’s why there’s hope. They are the minority!
Russia wants it. They want our mineral rights in our North. They can get that for pennies if we lose our sovereignty.
Hey, uh, if he wants another state…
What about Puerto Rico?
I’d love to hear the excuse against that vs. Greenland and Canada.
They’re not even hiding the racism any more.
Theres a reason why he isn’t making the same threats against Mexico.
There’s a reason he wants to resettle Palestinians before redeveloping Gaza.
Too latino for him, not enough resources.
The 51st state? Hard pass. Canada’s healthcare system alone would collapse under the weight of your insulin price gouging. Cherished state? More like a hostile takeover by a country that thinks avocado toast is a personality trait.
Those 25% tariffs? Cute. We survived your 2018 tantrum—maple syrup exports outlived your presidency. Funny how “trade imbalances” vanish when your golf resorts rely on Canadian lumber.
Defense spending critiques from a guy who tried to lease Alaska back to Russia? Bold move. Our border’s secure enough to keep your conspiracy theorists from storming Parliament Hill.
Stay mad about the poutine tariffs, though.
One thing I despise about the US (gun violence and healthcare inequitability aside) is how it measures the value of everything in money.
It’s culture is a commodification machine. Nothing can just be beautiful for the sake of being beautiful, it has to be made into a side hustle somehow.
Most Americans are married to their jobs and have little work life balance relative to Canadians and Europeans.
There is a remarkable amount of mental gymnastics done by people trying to gaslight themselves into thinking this is what they want, even though most would be happier and healthier with more time off.
I wouldn’t call Canada’s work/life balance good, but it’s still better than America’s.
Haha, I want a t-shirt that says : Stay mad about the poutine tarrifs 😂
I think he seriously under-estimates how many Americans will side with Canada, with force.
He also hasn’t considered the destruction that 30 million occupied dissidents (from a country known for their prolific war crimes) can unleash on their oppressor.
Statscan has the estimate at ~41.5 million as of the end of last year.
Yeah I realized that as I was typing it. Our population grew so damn fast. Granted, three million or so of those don’t have citizenship or permanent residency, and are a rotation of temporary students or workers. A lot are expected to leave (a lot are also expected to becomes PRs).
3/4 people resisting is probably a pipe dream anyway, so 30 million dissidents from Canada alone isn’t likely in a worst case Ontario.
So you are saying (assuming every US resident will go along with this) that we just have to take out about 10 American’s each?
I like those odds.
Yep we just have to keep at our cardio :P
Hey, hey, I’m not going to be against you so what do I need to wave to make sure I’m not one of the 10?
Honestly? I think just not supporting a war (trade or otherwise) with your long time ally will go quite a way. War in a far away land is one thing, war with your neighbour is another thing all together. As long as americans don’t just shrug and pretend everything is normal this whole idea will go no where.
On the other hand if it does go in the most stupid direction, prepare for blackouts and attacks on any and all infrastructure. This is not a threat but just a reasonable expectation of a nations activity when in this situation.
My brain still thinks 30-35 million so all good, was thinking you might be meaning a dissident number as I was writing anyhow, meshes pretty well with that Angus Reid poll about joining the states.
Live close to the border. If I see Canadian tanks rolling through my town, I’m throwing them flowers
Poppies. They’d love for you to have a fe poppies on hand. They earned those the hardest way possible.
Same. If I see US tanks rolling towards Canada, I’m throwing drones at them.
I can imagine we’d end up with a bigger army than the US if Canadian service guaranteed citizenship
He doesn’t treat his own states any good why would Canada fare any better
I’m so tired of this shit.
That’s the point. He has megaphones pointed at everywhere you are, you’re supposed to be tired of it and just roll over. That’s his plan…
With every blast of the megaphone my reaction to smash it increases. At this rate my first bonus is being spent on freedom loot.
I’m amazed at how quickly the US has come close to being on the brink of becoming a rogue state.
The US has been a rogue state for decades. Just that they used to be smart enough to keep some countries in the empire aligned without direct military force.
At this point, I’m seriously wondering what the Reichstag fire will be that will prompt the US to conjure up an “enemy without,” steamroll several sovereign countries and blockade the Mediterranean and most of the Atlantic.
Well the veneer of respectability politics scratched. It’s like people getting drunk it’s not that alcohol makes violent, or sobby, or anything in particular: It disinhibits (by anaesthetising the frontal lobe before everything else), allowing already-existing but usually under control tendencies to break through.
US has come close to being on the brink of becoming a rogue state.
We always have been.
Internet Explorer meme
Anyone making “thanks trump” stickers for when our gas prices go through the roof and stick it at gas stations like they did with Biden
The problem with “thanks” ones is if they ever do go down…
Best to have “they’re up because of me” perhaps or something similar
We need “Let’s Go Trump” stickers.
Yes they are, I’ve seen them on the egg shelves.
People are making a killing selling them on Tiktok
This is going to be the weirdest part of any history book. People reading and trying to understand why the US suddenly turned on and invaded their close ally of Canada in a failed annexation attempt immediately after watching Russia struggle a similar (though less surprising) annexation of Ukraine, which the US helped fight against.
Not that weird, since we’ve had similar things happen in Europe in the 1930s. I’m mostly wondering, what’s going to be Canada’s Stalingrad.
Fort Erie.
Not even going to lie, the Great Lakes will quickly become Canadian territory if Trump tries to make serious on his claims. Most of the folk in my region love Canadians more than we do people in other states.
Hmm probably hamilton. A lot of steel mills. If they come up through st Catherines, and hang a Reich to Toronto they would have to go through hamilton first.
I don’t foresee them making it past Fort Erie, tbh. But, that would be one of the more logical choices to try, so I expect Trump to instead try to invade Sunnyvale Trailer Park.
They better not touch those god damn cute kitties. Build a shopping cart wall that will impede them.
The US army is much larger and better equipped than the Canadian army. And the US has about 10x the population of Canada and most of the population lives within a few dozen miles of the US border.
Also who is to support Canada with arms to defend against the US invasion? China? Russia? Because South Korea and the EU would first need to purge all the US bases they have.
I think US vs. Canada would play out very different than Ukraine vs. Russia. Could end in a long and bloody incursion, but for the conventional side of things the US would steamroll Canada at first.
Holding a country that doesn’t want to be held, that no one else wants you to occupy, is very different than winning it, as the US and other countries have repeatedly learned.
And the unpopularity at home would make Vietnam look like nothing.
No, it would be a disaster for the US. A very different one than Ukraine, but maybe even worse.
I think of we invade Canada, we’ll be fighting two fronts…the other will be from within.
Honestly, Canada is a terrible target from a guerrilla warfare perspective. We have vast areas of emptiness that locals are familiar with but are dangerous if you don’t know how to survive there, many pocket communities that could easily hide insurgents and weaponry, lots of farming, which means lots of nitrates, a populace that can easily disappear into the American general population, and enough of an identity to not want to be absorbed by a different culture.
I don’t think we could stop America from invading and occupying, but we could make Vietnam look like a walk in the park. So, who’s up for another couple decades of occupation?
With life time of insurgency.
Also who is to support Canada with arms to defend against the US invasion?
US citizens…
Could end in a long and bloody incursion, but for the conventional side of things the US would steamroll Canada at first.
That will be kinda hard, with US citizens shooting at their backs.
I meant insurgency, not incursion. My bad. I think we are agreeing on what would happen.
Well, except the part about steam rolling into Canada… Because US forces will have US citizens shooting at them while they attempt to enter Fort Erie, or Niagara Falls.
Assuming that the US takes the most strategic point of entry, which I kinda doubt… Like they’d instead do something stupid like invade via Alaska, which I feel would have less pushback, in numbers, but a better armed citizenry fighting them on both sides.
Alaskans love hunting with AR-10s.
If they had any brains, they’d create a salient by using the fifth column traitors in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Very little would hold them back in Maple MAGA country. They’d have both provinces in short order and then work on defending them.
A bit like Hitler making a beeline for the Russian oil fields before he got distracted with taking Stalingrad because of “symbolism” or some shit.
the US would steamroll Canada at first.
that was the default convention in all the wars the USA has fought and lost in thevlast 40 years
Which is very different to Russias invasion of Ukraine in 2022, where after first quick gains that got repelled, things bogged down in a slow war of attrition.
Has the US fought anyone even near parity since WWII? Its a big army but it has a hard time defeating guys living in tents and caves without resorting to carpet bombing.
There’s this thing called NATO
Until the NATO countries have removed the US soldiers from their soil, most of the populated area of Canada would have been occupied already. There is around 100.000 US soldiers stationed in Bases in Europe. They need to be captured and disarmed first, before any forces can be send to defend Canada. That will take weeks at least. The US has the largest navy by far. Breaking the US naval blockade will take months if not years.
An US invasion of Canada will mean months of war in Europe, before any chance of European troops getting to Canada.
Unless the EU prepares quickly to kick out all American soldiers as well as build up a stockpile of anti-ship weapon, building jets and ships ourselves will take years, there is no way EU countries can come to the aid of Canada in time.
I’m not sure any US strategist is willing to face the fallout of open war involving all of Europe. But then again, when has Trump ever cared about his advisors
We are truly living in interesting times
The US army is much larger and better equipped than the Canadian army.
What % of the US army would be happy to obey an order to invade Canada. At what level if seniority? What justification could be given to sure up the troops?
The same could be asked about the Vietnam invasion, the First Gulf War, Iraq invasion, Afghanistan invasion… From my perspective none of these had any convincing reason to give to the people, still Vietnam lasted for almost two decades. The occupation of Afghanistan also lasted two decades and there is still US troops in Iraq.
If push comes to shove some bullshit reasons will be made up and i don’t trust the US executive to not obey. They are also letting some mid twenties kid fuck up the treasury system to hide payments being made or not made. And this is directly risking their own salaries.
Nevermind that Canada has more than a few MAGA supporters/fascists in our military, so can’t count on 100% support from them.
Getting in would be a piece of cake, yes. Holding it would be so increadibly hard though.
Over 80% are against annexation. How much police officers/soldiers would be needed to keep the peace? Socially it would be a nightmare to integrate. Canada would probably retaliate with sabotage and guerilla tactics to shut down key infrastructures.
US government would have to deal with a good portion of its own population not to mention NATO and the commonwealth members states. They could support Canada militarily, but even if they don’t there would be strong pressure and irreversible diplomatic and economic consequences. What if China and/or Russia use this as an opportunity to weaken USA while it’s busy hitting its own allies?
I just don’t see it happening and being profitable in any shape or form. It would be a useless costly mess and needless bloodshed.
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He’s currently trying to get a 51st state (Canada would need to be at least 6 or more, in all honesty), but it looks like he’s at risk of losing some states from where I’m sitting.
The only way Canada would join the union would be as an occupied territory, and we would do everything possible to fuck shit up from within.
If he tried to invade Canada, I think he’d quickly be fighting a war on two fronts, because sane Americans like myself and others that are organizing aren’t going to just let that happen. Hopefully, if half our military hasn’t lost their minds too, they’ll join us.
I would hope our NATO allies would fulfill their commitments too!
Yeah I’m American but live abroad, if he tried that shit I’d fight for the defense of Canada.
Multiple fronts I’d imagine.
I’d easily imagine Mexico declaring and starting to fuck shit up at the southern border.
Depending on when it starts, potentially embargoes from Europe. (Right now I think they’re still too skittish, but if Trump invades after he’s spent another year or so destroying international relations, I don’t doubt Europe would slap embargoes on him. At some point, those countries that host American bases would tell them to fuck off back home which in the short term would be bad for Canada since it would be reinforcing the American military, but in the long term destroying America’s global reach.
I’d accept casualties if it meant taking care of American imperialism long-term.
Why would Canada join the US, only to be rewarded with a shitty health care system and a low national minimum wage?
Elon Musk and the nazi sad boys will just dig up cases, where chain smokers having lung cancer getting treatment, etc. In Hungary, some try to divert the anger created by the constant defunding of healthcare (some of which was done by diverting money into building football stadiums “to encourage children to do sports thus be healthy”) to the sick and the disabled…
What’s in it for Canada? Expensive ineffective healthcare? Why would they go for this?
Reduced quality of life? Greater danger of being shot in a school? Shorter life expectancy? Lower quality food? And imperial president instead of a democratic one?
I’m not seeing the upsides for Canada.
Don’t forget the gun violence
This plan leaves out the fact that the majority of Canadians don’t want to join. They may have their challenges right now, but there are some things they aren’t willing to give up, like nationalized health care and national identity. I suspect many Canadians will fight to the death over this, the same way Americans would fight if forced to join Canada. They are our neighbors and that’s about as close as people want to get.
Yup, already had the “flee or stand and die” convo with my partner a few weeks ago. I am firmly willing to risk death to defend the progress we’ve made as a Province and Nation. We aren’t perfect and are early in the process but we’re trying to recon with our history of colonial genocide and embrace a truer multiculturalism which the US refuses to even acknowledge. We have made commitments to the health and well-being of all citizens, not just the productive bodies which fuel the markets. It’s incomplete but aspirational and walking it back would be a disgrace.
The American democracy is an outdated shambles that has fallen into ruin and I will not be bound by it by choice. There is no freedom or opportunity the USA can offer us. Only more oppression on rights we already have enshrined.
Good for you man. I hope many of your fellow countrymen feel the same.
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So, is the US going to nationalize its health care to match Canada’s?
ahhahahahaaha.
let’s just say that canadians will never bitch about paying for parking again.
no
