The Hamas-run Health Ministry in the Gaza Strip says at least 500 people have been killed in an explosion that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike.
Updated: Israel denies involvement in deadly Gaza hospital blast, says explosion caused by Islamic Jihad
A three foot wide crater out front, yeah. Definitely looks like the detonation of either a very small bomb or something that didn’t explode as intended. Definitely not a fucking JDAM crater, that’s for sure.
Wait, you don’t believe what islamic fundamentalist terrorist organization says right after killing 1000 Israeli civilians?
If we can’t believe them, who can we believe?
Have seen plenty of people counter the “evidence” and also the sound of the strike is identical to a strike on a residential building hit yesterday.
Never mind all the lead up by israel, telling people to leave hospitals, hitting other hospitals before this and then claiming responsibility before backtracking.
No but being part of Hamas does not erase ones Palestinian identity. Hamas is still made of natives trying to defend themselves from colonizers. Nice try tho.
You straight up defending “Human Shield” Hamas after they blew up their own hospital and blamed it on the IDF isn’t the moral high ground you deserepately need.
First, it was a separate paramilitary group from Hamas called PIJ, second they obviously didn’t intentionally bomb their own hospital. They fired a shitty rocket out of a civilian area, as they typically do, and the engine failed over the hospital.
There is recorded communications between PIJ members talking about the misfire. They just aren’t accepting blame publicly as it’s advantageous to try and pin it on Israel.
Call me crazy but I’m inclined to believe US intelligence over the health minister of Hamas. Yet I will wait for the UN report that will be conducted to know for certain.
Are you seriously trying to equate bush who pushed thru the Iraq war without approval
Since you clearly know FUCK ALL about US history:
The Constitution vests the power of declaring war in Congress; therefore no offensive expedition of importance can be undertaken until after they shall have deliberated upon the subject, and authorized such a measure.
So said President George Washington in 1793. President George W. Bush thinks he knows better. He does promise to “consult” with Congress before launching a massive invasion of Iraq. And he does not rule out seeking a vote of approval. But as a matter of law, his administration claims, Bush is free to initiate a major war all by himself.
Nobody does. Even someone with the best reputation could be lying, too. People need to stop taking governments on faith like that, it’s absolutely moronic. If they didn’t present evidence that you took the time to evaluate for yourself whether or not it was proof, you just don’t know at all.
US and Israel have basically been in lockstep for decades (despite the whole supposed Obama/Netanyahu row), this isn’t really worth anything.
Absolutely NOT true. The US pressured Israel into allowing aid to flow into gaza, turn on other necessities, etc. They have condemned the Hamas terrorist attack that brutally targeted civilians (akin to our 9/11) and thus the US ‘stood’ with Israel in that regard, understanding exactly what that feels like.
Israel’s war cabinet on Wednesday approved the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza from Egypt after pressure from the U.S. and other countries.
President Biden warned Israel in an interview aired on Sunday not to reoccupy Gaza, his first significant public effort to restrain America’s ally in the wake of the Hamas assault that killed more than 1,300 people, including at least 29 Americans.
Mr. Biden has offered staunch support for Israel since the Oct. 7 attack and refused to criticize Israel for its retaliatory siege of Gaza, the coastal enclave controlled by Hamas, even as U.N. officials have warned of a humanitarian crisis there. But in the new interview, he cautioned against a full-scale occupation of Gaza.
“I think it’d be a big mistake,” Mr. Biden told “60 Minutes” on CBS in a conversation taped on Thursday and aired on Sunday night. “Look, what happened in Gaza, in my view, is Hamas and the extreme elements of Hamas don’t represent all the Palestinian people. And I think that it would be a mistake for Israel to occupy Gaza again.” But “taking out the extremists” there, he added, “is a necessary requirement.”
The U.S. will send $100 million in aid for humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, President Joe Biden said on Wednesday. “This money will support more than 1 million displaced in conflict affected Palestinians, including emergency needs in Gaza,” Biden said Wednesday during a speech in Tel Aviv.
Hamas (UK: /həˈmæs/, US: /həˈmɑːs/ ⓘ;[43] Arabic: حماس Ḥamās [ħaˈmaːs]),[44] officially the Islamic Resistance Movement (حركة المقاومة الإسلامية Ḥarakah al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah), is a Sunni Islamist[45] political and military organization governing the Gaza Strip of the Palestinian territories.
Anyways, Hamas didn’t launch the rockets that hit the hospital - Palestinian Islamic Jihad did.
You read that backwards. There is Hamas in the West Bank but the PLA is in charge there. There is also Hamas on the Gaza Strip and they are the defacto government there.
The person above was complaining about deaths in the West Bank, but the article in question is about an event that happened in the Gaza Strip.
I’m not in the conversation. Just saying that this is not a public square and “free speech” (often synonymous to hate speech) might not be tolerated here.
Ironically, the comment you replied to got deleted, so…
Because they said so, and it was independently verifiable and they brought surveillance that confirmed it. And Gaza clearly lied about the size, location, and scope of the “bombing”. And there’s multiple videos of it.
Not taking any sides here because I think it’s still unclear what actually happened, but:
This is a weird point. It’s not like government workers unilaterally know when the people at the top are lying. If your friends are of high enough position to know the truth of the matter, it would be the priority of national security to not share the truth to you, should the truth be something other than what the government claims.
I can imagine being in your shoes and trusting your friends; that’s always a nice spot to be in. I just don’t see how this claim bolsters your previous argument.
Jihads misfire, blow up a Gaza hospital, blame it on Israel and people believe it.
On top of it, the hospital wasn’t even blown up.
A three foot wide crater out front, yeah. Definitely looks like the detonation of either a very small bomb or something that didn’t explode as intended. Definitely not a fucking JDAM crater, that’s for sure.
Wait, you don’t believe what islamic fundamentalist terrorist organization says right after killing 1000 Israeli civilians?
If we can’t believe them, who can we believe?
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“Appears as though”…“information still being collected”. Wow, so confident.
Here’s a post with the actual analysis, including IJ fighters admitting it
https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/article-768942
Ah yes the unbiased Jerusalem post
Bias is irrelevant when I posted the article for the evidence within.
Instead of writing that comment, you could have read the article and seen the evidence
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cya6vuZqtKt/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Have seen plenty of people counter the “evidence” and also the sound of the strike is identical to a strike on a residential building hit yesterday.
Never mind all the lead up by israel, telling people to leave hospitals, hitting other hospitals before this and then claiming responsibility before backtracking.
If it makes any difference, the White House has made a statement that it wasn’t Israel.
That wouldn’t be the white house that has lied every time it’s in it’s interests to?
… You’re not from the US, are you?
Lmao
PNW my whole life.
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Thanks for this. Any other sources confirming the context of the IJ call?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cya6vuZqtKt/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Quite the opposite from what I’ve seen
I’m actually so confused as to what actually happened. I literally don’t get the narrative because either story is believable
Hamas terrorists brutally murdered at least 5 Canadians and are currently holding/torturing several more as hostages in Gaza. Is that also BS?
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Canadians promoting the slaughter of natives? thats a first /s
So you are saying that everyone in Gaza is Hamas?
No but being part of Hamas does not erase ones Palestinian identity. Hamas is still made of natives trying to defend themselves from colonizers. Nice try tho.
Hamas is not defending anyone from anything. The only thing Hamas brings is death and terror but that is probably exactly what you want.
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Know what’s “dubious?” Taking the word of a terrorist group that slaughtered Canadian civilians.
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You’re defending the terrorist group that murdered Canadian citizens. Deranged.
You straight up defending “Human Shield” Hamas after they blew up their own hospital and blamed it on the IDF isn’t the moral high ground you deserepately need.
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Me too. Except there is little evidence that this was a war crime. Maybe save the outrage for the clear-cut stuff.
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Says the person who calls BS on the almost certain fact that Hamas/IJ was trying to blame blowing up the hospital on IDF without any arguments.
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First, it was a separate paramilitary group from Hamas called PIJ, second they obviously didn’t intentionally bomb their own hospital. They fired a shitty rocket out of a civilian area, as they typically do, and the engine failed over the hospital.
There is recorded communications between PIJ members talking about the misfire. They just aren’t accepting blame publicly as it’s advantageous to try and pin it on Israel.
To blame it on Israel. Isn’t that obvious?
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Biden said that he believes the US intelligence that points to it being an errant rocket coming from the Palestinian side of the fence.
That said, at this point, is anyone going to believe what anyone says?
Just like the US intelligence that told Bush there were WMDs in Iraq?
Call me crazy but I’m inclined to believe US intelligence over the health minister of Hamas. Yet I will wait for the UN report that will be conducted to know for certain.
The difference is Bush was a lying republican war monger
Thank god Biden is only a lying democrat war monger
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Are you seriously trying to equate bush who pushed thru the Iraq war without approval
Since you clearly know FUCK ALL about US history:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2002/09/an-invasion-of-iraq-requires-the-approval-of-congress/378094/
Now, go ahead, tell me again that Biden is the same breed of war monger. The man who lost a son in the line of duty
US and Israel have basically been in lockstep for decades (despite the whole supposed Obama/Netanyahu row), this isn’t really worth anything.
And it’s not like Hamas or Hezbollah have a trustworthy reputation.
Nobody does. Even someone with the best reputation could be lying, too. People need to stop taking governments on faith like that, it’s absolutely moronic. If they didn’t present evidence that you took the time to evaluate for yourself whether or not it was proof, you just don’t know at all.
Absolutely NOT true. The US pressured Israel into allowing aid to flow into gaza, turn on other necessities, etc. They have condemned the Hamas terrorist attack that brutally targeted civilians (akin to our 9/11) and thus the US ‘stood’ with Israel in that regard, understanding exactly what that feels like.
https://www.axios.com/2023/10/18/gaza-humanitarian-aid-entry-israel-netanyahu-biden
The story doesn’t end there:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/18/biden-humanitarian-aid-gaza-west-bank-00122212
but go ahead, just claim us = Israel, you clearly don’t give a fuck about reality so why not?
Joined two days ago to exclusively advocate for Hamas terrorists. Looks suspicious.
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This event happened in the Gaza Strip. And Hamas’ exists in the West Bank, they just don’t rule there.
Lol, you don’t think Hamas rules Gaza?
Hamas (UK: /həˈmæs/, US: /həˈmɑːs/ ⓘ;[43] Arabic: حماس Ḥamās [ħaˈmaːs]),[44] officially the Islamic Resistance Movement (حركة المقاومة الإسلامية Ḥarakah al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah), is a Sunni Islamist[45] political and military organization governing the Gaza Strip of the Palestinian territories.
Anyways, Hamas didn’t launch the rockets that hit the hospital - Palestinian Islamic Jihad did.
You read that backwards. There is Hamas in the West Bank but the PLA is in charge there. There is also Hamas on the Gaza Strip and they are the defacto government there.
The person above was complaining about deaths in the West Bank, but the article in question is about an event that happened in the Gaza Strip.
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I’m not in the conversation. Just saying that this is not a public square and “free speech” (often synonymous to hate speech) might not be tolerated here.
Ironically, the comment you replied to got deleted, so…
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Because they said so, and it was independently verifiable and they brought surveillance that confirmed it. And Gaza clearly lied about the size, location, and scope of the “bombing”. And there’s multiple videos of it.
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Not taking any sides here because I think it’s still unclear what actually happened, but:
This is a weird point. It’s not like government workers unilaterally know when the people at the top are lying. If your friends are of high enough position to know the truth of the matter, it would be the priority of national security to not share the truth to you, should the truth be something other than what the government claims.
I can imagine being in your shoes and trusting your friends; that’s always a nice spot to be in. I just don’t see how this claim bolsters your previous argument.
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As do I, my friend. My BIL is a Navy officer and my friend is in Homeland Security. And they are both liberal.
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