• barbarosa@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Hamas cares even less for the lives of Gaza civilians. They cowardly hide in their tunnels, take humanitarian supplies by force from the population and shoot at Gazans when they try to escape from their human shield purpose.

    All of these crimes have been documented and you can find them online. Hamas is a dictatorship jihadistic organization who controls the population by fear

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      11 months ago

      What about Gazans? Do you believe they deserve to have 20 Oct 7th done to them every single night?

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        No, they don’t deserve it. If you were Israel, and 1200 of your people would have been murdered, raped and 400 were taken hostages, what would you do differently?

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          11 months ago
          1. Not carpet bomb
          2. Not detaining Palestinians in undisclosed locations
          3. Not starving the population
          4. Not bombing hospitals, mosques, and the few fucking churches there.
          5. Negotiate peace with Palestinians and restore their full rights
          6. A one state solution where everyone gets to vote, as they always should have been allowed to

          What would you do “differently” since those Gazans don’t deserve to die in a crowded hospital after a failing amputation attempt because there are no meds and Israel is shelling outside?

          Btw I just want to say that 17 thousand of my “people” have already been killed by Israel since I’m Palestinian.

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            11 months ago

            As a Palestinian, you don’t have any criticism of Hamas ? Oct 7th was just an “act of resistance” according to your view?

            Do you agree with Hamas ? Why one state solution and not two states?

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              Hmmm seems like you pull this shit out of your ass, I’m very critical of Hamas.

              A one state solution because it was always a single land, where all Palestinans and Jews can be equal. What part of that bothers you?

              PS: notice how you just brushed aside the suffering of all Palestinians to come and talk about Hamas. Using Hamas as an excuse for genocide is no better than an excuse for the holocaust or for apartheid. It’s quite disgusting how easily you can just forget the deaths of many innocent people or think that October 7th somehow justifies a second Nakba and a second holocaust.

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              11 months ago

              This seems to be a typical Hasbara account (the Israeli equivalent to Putin trolls).

              They keep saying Gaza is not an open air prison. But would they agree to live there for a year like an average civilian?

              Would they support the right of Palestine to exist? Would they support the Palestinian right to self determination as people? Do they think Palestinians should have the right to live in their homes?

              The answer to all of these questions would be a lot of Blabla leading to an eventual no for an answer. Therefore it makes little sense to interact with these accounts, except for the purpose of calling out their BS

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                Personally, I definitely support the right of Palestinians to exist. They should have their own state and live peacefully side by side to Israel. Unfortunately both Israelis and Palestinians are plagued by horrible leadership that prevent any of this from happening

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                  How can you live side by side with a state that tortures kids in prison? I mean how do you live peacefully and with dignity in a state that - - through its different leaderships since it’s founding days - - has been detaining people illegally? That doesn’t believe in Palestinians’ right to return or right to a decent life? How do you live side by side your murderers and jailers and torturers when they make no attempt to punish the wrongdoers or the settlers or all those assholes in the IDF who humiliate Palestinians at every chance? I’m seriously asking.

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                    11 months ago

                    I condemn all such behavior. Extremists on both sides are setting the tone unfortunately. I can assure you that Israelis are asking the same questions as they keep seeing the videos of rape and murder in a loop since October 7.

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              11 months ago

              Anyway also please answer my question, what would you have done differently to committing a genocide and ethnic cleansing? 😊😊😊😊

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                Given the chance, I would immediately start negotiations for two states solution but that will never happen in the current climate.

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                  11 months ago

                  But you would still continue killing and starving the population?

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                    11 months ago

                    Palestinians should agree to get their own country and rule it themselves. Why would they be starved and killed ? Not sure I follow. No one should be starved or killed.

                    And regarding Hamas - Israel cannot coexist next to it. Since Palestinians will not remove Hamas, who else will do it ? Egypt ? The rest of the Arab world ? Israel is left to do it unfortunately. I would like to see any other country in the middle east handle a situation like that… Think they would eliminate Hamas with 0 civilian casualties?

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                I do not brush aside the suffering of Palestinians. Both populations are screwed over by bad leadership.

                However, Hamas started this one by murdering and kidnapping women and children and doing horrendous things. Israel has the right to retaliate. They should do so with the least amount of casualties.

                Unfortunately, in the long run, this gets no one closer to nowhere.

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                  11 months ago

                  Yeah, they have the right to retaliate… But this isn’t retaliation, and civilians are not respected.