The usual explanation is because God wanted humans to have free will, so interfering in their ability to self-determine would negate that.
The reality is because it makes no fucking sense, like much of the Bible.
It’s a judeo-christian-muslim god.
Because he doesn’t exist, so even questioning it is irrelevant
When one person believes a delusion, it’s schizophrenia. When millions do, it’s religion.
Because he gifted humanity free-will? I thought that was like the main reason
He’s also omniscient and created every atom of their being, meaning he knew exactly how it would play out. It was a setup.
Would it really be free will if there was fate or destiny? Would he be a Laplace demon and by thinking about mankind eating the apple he was creating a simulation where mankind actually does eat an apple?
you’re trying to bring logic where logic goes to die. It won’t work.
Fanfiction/Please permit me to make wild allegations, I was also looking at this yesterday and wondered: is it the apple of knowledge of sexual reproduction? (I know the book says good and evil, I get it)
The other tree was the fruit of eternal life. They did not consume this fruit.
So, as for the story, humans could neither sexually reproduce nor live forever/a long time prior to eating the fruit of the knowledge of sexual reproduction. Life and death. Good and evil.
They ate it, wanted to have sex with each other and were ashamed and covered themselves to avoid sexual arousal.
The free will they received was the ability to sexually reproduce.
In the story, angels cannot sexually reproduce with each other?, but seemingly live forever/a long time, and angels supposedly did get very excited that they could now sexually reproduce with humans: nephelim. Hybrids. There are no female angels.
Two different technology trees: humans with sexual reproduction and limited lifespan and angels with longevity/eternal life/angel powers/no females.
This gave the world a third (unintended?) hybrid nephelim class and this upset the balance of power on earth/the creation.
The chaos that ensued inspired yahweh to flood his creation and try again?
Wild shit! For me these are the chaotic and confused retelling of a story of extraterrestrial influence on the development of the human species.
This particular chapter is focused on origins and bloodlines of humanity so it makes sense to me in that way 🙃
Thank you for your time.
because he was a pussy
I find the story better with “all-knowing” meaning know what is and had been and the future being unknown. A fact created by have multiple beings of free will.
That said eating the apple is very low stakes way to let someone choose to disobey you and thus learn what that means. The “punishment” seems like the plan all along.
at least how i prefer the story
At some point, one of y’all is going to have to admit that the story doesn’t actually make any sense, instead of reinterpreting it again to make yourselves feel comfy.
The “punishment” seems like the plan all along.
Then your god is a vengeful, evil monster, unworthy of worship
Im describing it purely from “as a story” concept.
The punishment is being a creature with free will on earth and the ability to comptemplatr shame for moral decisions (because we can fail).
At least at this point of the story
No, the punishment was increased pain, hardship, expulsion from the garden of Eden, and mortality.
Have you even read the book? From an “as a story” concept, whatever that means?
I think it means a story instead of as a historically accurate document of fact.
Because as a story theres lots of lessons we can draw from it, and interpret in many ways like literature enthusiasts do.
As a historical document holy fuck help me satan
Exactly.
That is the same thing from a different perspective is what i am saying
it sounds like you’re flirting with the Epicurean Paradox
I understand the epicurean paradox but I also understand for god to exist as some believe it would have to be paradoxical. I also understand that any true religion, anything not just societally and culturally forced, would not take hold as a probability based on geographical location of birth. I believe in a god that can give humans divine inspiration but I do not believe in a religion that is just a long tradition of group think. Any god that choses to create these structures of religion and call them right and just is of no interest to me.
I like that guy jesus, tho. He was a bro.
Ey Eve, bet you are too scared to try this apple.
Because he is a jealous god. He told people this.
The Jewish interpretation is that Eve ‘knew’ God wanted Adam to the eat the apple, so she tempted him with it.
what a disgusting god. People actually believe this shit? God WANTED his creations to be kicked out of paradise? Holy fuck, and people say he is “all loving”. JFC.
I had never heard that interpretation but it basically sounds sort of like the premise for The Good Place
The old reverse psychology and It’s all part of the plan bit.
maybe I would do it and claim its a test to see if what i created are capable of thoughts outside my commands so they can be used for the next phase but im not all knowing. sooo it was all a waste of time for eve and them? Maybe.
The only justification I could think of is actually the garden is a incubation area and god needed a reason to kick them out for phase 2 and guilting them while giving them the intelligence to survive was the only option viable for the “long term plan”. Like some kind of wierd motivation to stay alive. Still feels like a jerk move no matter how you slice it.
The story was adulterated, & that is visible in the text of that part of the bible, there was no apple.
“women ate of the fruit of the knowledge of Good & Evil ( MORAL UNDERSTANDING ), & shared that with men”.
Yes, mothering enforces more moral-understanding than does male-ego-persuits, traditional or modern.
As women have noticed, & evidence absolutely does back it, women bring life into the world, & men persue killing, consistently more than women do.
( the insecurity displayed by the “god” of that story is idiotic, & the blunt fact that help has been provided to humankind, repeatedly, since then, falsifies the message in that part of their bible that “god” wants us kept down, as pets: it investes in our evolving, & there’s even a book specifically on that, though from an Abrahamic-religion perspective, called “The Evolution of God”, which … isn’t written by a believer, but comes to the conclusion that someone has been cultivating evolution, consistently, among the peoples of that “god”. )
The “grace” left-behind by ones who experience moral-anxiety is the “grace” of being mere-animals, who don’t have moral-anxieties.
This is an absolutely-factual metaphor/parable about the mere-animal ancestors of humankind vs the moral-anxiety/moral-difficulties condition of our “generation”.
Also, there’s another corroboration, but much more recent…
there’s a yt vid on how Gobekli Tepe somehow was a metropolis without agriculture: Natural Abundance was sufficient for them to do that, & they didn’t break their ecology, the way we do…
But you’ve still got the “grace”/“non-grace” difference between the people who just lived in natural-abundance & didn’t break their ecology vs our-generation…
Oh, & as far as I can tell, the Abrahamic-religion authorities are looking totally at the wrong frame-of-reference, in trying to discern where the “Garden of Eden” was: it means Earth, not some limited-locale of it.
Earth was pristine, lush, drenchingly-alive ( I’ve read that the cod were sooo thick in off the Atlantic coast of Canada, that the fishermen said you could walk from ship to ship … exageration, certainly, but … the fish were, on average, 80y old, back then, & huge. Nowadays, they’re … a few years old, 8yo was what I’d read last century, & then we broke the coral-forests they breed in, & the cod-fishery collapsed, & never recovered. We’re incompetent at preserving natural-wealth, & we do it in ALL contexts, all fisheries, all forests, … where’s all the BEST farmland on Earth? under concrete, because we converted it all to cities, since that was where the people were.
Idiocy ).
We’re destroying the Garden of Eden, globally.
No matter: The Great Filter, our species-puberty, will force-exterminate our race, if we won’t grow-up quick enough, completely enough.
Natural Selection, but at planet-scale.
& finally, free-will requires ability-to-choose-wrong.
Puppets aren’t what we are.
( it is continuums/souls which are ChildrenOfG-D/CellsOfG-D, it isn’t our-lives/incarnations: those are children-of-souls, so grandchildren-of-G-D )
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It was a test, but if he was omniscient, he would have known the results without having to run it. 😉
See how i didnt mention he is also “benevolent.”
There’s quite a bit of evidence to argue he is actually malevolent.
Christians then start applying “ends justifies the means” logic.
Calvin ball. Its all just Calvin ball.
Try telling that to a Christian and you’ll hear the battered wife type arguments come out sooooo quick.
I really enjoy reminding them that Satan only kills about 10 people in the Bible. He temps others to do things, but he’s only responsible for a handful.
God on the other hand… much more direct and merciless. Doesn’t really seem to give a shit at all about killing people actually. Like a kid with a magnifying glass burning ants.
I love the story where he kills everyone in the world except for that one disfunctional family.
I don’t quite have the urge to believe this, you could say I have a demiurge
beat me to it
He wanted the result, but needed it to be our ‘fault’ for weird passive aggressive reasons and so he could hold it over our heads for eaons. “Sorry son, I’d drive you to the store but you ate that apple. Remember the apple I told you not to eat?”
Embarrassment kink followed by the lack of emotional regulation to handle the outcome of a scenario they asked asked for.
The god character in Oglaf is probably the most accurate representation of God.
If I’ve learned something from listening History in the Bible podcast is that Yaweh is an asshole and that there are layers of bad translations.
Evangelicals sweep that all under the rug with “divine inspiration.”
Yet here we are with rich assholes running the world and chasing the Antichrist story and trying to summon the end of the world.
You’d think they’d be more intelligent.
Yeah, that story has a lot of plot holes.
…talking snakes?
Fuck you, Zootopia 2 was a masterpiece.
Yeah that was a weird chapter in the bible
