If you are after larger numbers of people, why are you here and not on legacy social media where the numbers mean those platforms are better in your opinion?
Not sure what you mean by ethical superiority? There’s some pretty horrible and unethical instances on the fediverse…
And I disagree with you that mass numbers of people means success
I don’t need or want those assholes here. Why do i want small business here? Why do i want facebook idiot grammas here? What would the point be? Fuck threads
Seconded. There’s no need to have them here. The toxicity of FB, “fake news”, and the trolling that goes with it can stay the hell away from the fediverse. There’s enough to deal with here with issues from places like hexbear, CSAM, and whatever else, we don’t need knuckledraggers posting “only ‘60s kids will get this” BS along with “each upvote is a prayer for trump” or some shit.
You did, honestly. Having to read useless copycat comments (like the reply you just farted out) on Reddit everyday is why i left them. Not all of them are drooling wankers without a shred of imagination, but the loudest ones definitely were.
To think for a second that they should remake this place in their image angers me.
Not the OP, but Eternal September references the massive culture impact on Usenet when ISPs started lowering the barrier to joining the then somewhat exclusive forum-esque part of the internet.
I agree, but it’s a hard pill to swallow that Meta is the best partner to grow the fediverse. There are real lessons to learn from Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (look at XMPP and Google), not to mention privacy concerns and content moderation issues that seem to be a “feature” for Meta products vs bugs.
I’m not sure what Zuck is up to, but for whatever it’s worth I think the best think the fediverse can do is be somewhat reactive to Meta’s movements.
If instances start getting overwhelmed with content, then block.
If Meta starts showing signs of EEE, then instances can block.
And us users can move to instances that we feel match our personal stances on things - hate Facebook like the plague? Look at one of the defederated/blocking instances. Do you miss interacting with a larger audience? Stay on instances that are embracing (or withholding judgment) the Meta federation.
It’s a complex topic to be sure, and the only way we’ll know the right way to deal with it is with the benefit of hindsight in a few years
If Meta starts showing signs of EEE, then instances can block.
Well it looks like they’re at the first E, there, buddy. Look at what they’ve already done to the internet, to your country, to the world. You want to give them the benefit of the doubt?
Makes some sense, but market ownership doesn’t only go up, it goes down too. Services absolutely have downturns as well, and that’s what we’re really relying on. Like, reddits troubles the past year, for instance.
Also, note, we still have user-facing issues to resolve. This platform in its current form has a limited appeal to non-techy people. That won’t change until the front-end gets more development and features. As it stands, average non-techy user pokes around a little bit and goes “ehhhh”, and it’s not necessarily due to a lack of content. That’s just a singular factor.
Your assessment of Lemmy content seems to indicate you follow news and Fediverse communities.
Truly diverse content will come with the users, the users make the content, not the content making the users. You need something with the polish, simplicity and ease-of-use the average public expects though.
If not Threads, how do we turn this FOSS venture free of corporate interference into a new avenue for a mega corporation to harvest all of our data for profit?
If not Threads, how will we ever ruin this place by turning it into Reddit?
This was in reference to produced works of science fiction in an environment that rewarded and encouraged schlock. To apply it to people is ignorant, and to tout it as some sort of actual law is disingenuous.
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Why do we need to bring billions of people here again?
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If you are after larger numbers of people, why are you here and not on legacy social media where the numbers mean those platforms are better in your opinion?
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Not sure what you mean by ethical superiority? There’s some pretty horrible and unethical instances on the fediverse… And I disagree with you that mass numbers of people means success
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I think some of us here might just have a different definition of “success” when it comes to content on the internet. Personally, I don’t agree that,
I don’t need or want those assholes here. Why do i want small business here? Why do i want facebook idiot grammas here? What would the point be? Fuck threads
Seconded. There’s no need to have them here. The toxicity of FB, “fake news”, and the trolling that goes with it can stay the hell away from the fediverse. There’s enough to deal with here with issues from places like hexbear, CSAM, and whatever else, we don’t need knuckledraggers posting “only ‘60s kids will get this” BS along with “each upvote is a prayer for trump” or some shit.
Plus this thread is more than toxic enough as it is.
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You did, honestly. Having to read useless copycat comments (like the reply you just farted out) on Reddit everyday is why i left them. Not all of them are drooling wankers without a shred of imagination, but the loudest ones definitely were.
To think for a second that they should remake this place in their image angers me.
Ignorance and arrogance anger me.
You anger me.
Eternal September
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Not the OP, but Eternal September references the massive culture impact on Usenet when ISPs started lowering the barrier to joining the then somewhat exclusive forum-esque part of the internet.
Gatekeeping the fediverse while also wanting it to stay alive and to not be “EEE” my meta won’t work unfortunately.
I agree, but it’s a hard pill to swallow that Meta is the best partner to grow the fediverse. There are real lessons to learn from Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (look at XMPP and Google), not to mention privacy concerns and content moderation issues that seem to be a “feature” for Meta products vs bugs.
I’m not sure what Zuck is up to, but for whatever it’s worth I think the best think the fediverse can do is be somewhat reactive to Meta’s movements.
If instances start getting overwhelmed with content, then block.
If Meta starts showing signs of EEE, then instances can block.
And us users can move to instances that we feel match our personal stances on things - hate Facebook like the plague? Look at one of the defederated/blocking instances. Do you miss interacting with a larger audience? Stay on instances that are embracing (or withholding judgment) the Meta federation.
It’s a complex topic to be sure, and the only way we’ll know the right way to deal with it is with the benefit of hindsight in a few years
Just thinking about all the meta bots and shills meta could bring to the table gets me excited. Mmmm astroturf
Well it looks like they’re at the first E, there, buddy. Look at what they’ve already done to the internet, to your country, to the world. You want to give them the benefit of the doubt?
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Slow, steady and sustainable growth through having a quality product.
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In what way is slow growth incompatible with anything that requires network effects?
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Makes some sense, but market ownership doesn’t only go up, it goes down too. Services absolutely have downturns as well, and that’s what we’re really relying on. Like, reddits troubles the past year, for instance.
Also, note, we still have user-facing issues to resolve. This platform in its current form has a limited appeal to non-techy people. That won’t change until the front-end gets more development and features. As it stands, average non-techy user pokes around a little bit and goes “ehhhh”, and it’s not necessarily due to a lack of content. That’s just a singular factor.
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Your assessment of Lemmy content seems to indicate you follow news and Fediverse communities.
Truly diverse content will come with the users, the users make the content, not the content making the users. You need something with the polish, simplicity and ease-of-use the average public expects though.
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They can join a proper instance instead of a gigantic corporate-controlled one.
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Why should I care about any of that? Let them come one by one if they’re so inclined.
If not Threads, how do we turn this FOSS venture free of corporate interference into a new avenue for a mega corporation to harvest all of our data for profit?
If not Threads, how will we ever ruin this place by turning it into Reddit?
If not Threads, who will I shill for?
I don’t want any of those things
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Leave them there, they fucking suck.
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Exhibit A 👆
This was in reference to produced works of science fiction in an environment that rewarded and encouraged schlock. To apply it to people is ignorant, and to tout it as some sort of actual law is disingenuous.
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