• Xanthrax@lemmy.world
    12914·
    1 year ago

    Is this the guy who makes alt right comics?

    Edit: yeah, it’s George Alexopoulos. They’re a good artist, but they’re pretty nasty. I wouldn’t post their stuff.

    • IndiBrony@lemmy.worldEnglish
      691·
      1 year ago

      I’ve seen a few great Linux memes with this, but I think the biggest insult would be for people to use it as a template for things he doesn’t believe in.

      • Xanthrax@lemmy.world
        171·
        1 year ago

        It’s hard to look away from a train wreck; I don’t blame you for looking. But perhaps it’s better to avoid that type of behavior, altogether.

    • crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      01·
      1 year ago

      I never knew why people need to conflate the personality or political opinions of the artist with the art they make.

      In my opinion, even if the artist is a terrible human being they can still produce some good art. And even if the art they produce is crap, it can still prove valuable, as it can be parodied, modified, transformed or mocked.

      • DreamButt@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Are you ignoring the fact that the artist in question specifically makes anti-left propoganda? Like it’s literally their entire identity to try (and fail) to make fun of leftist politics

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    64·
    1 year ago

    Okay but tbf the arch wiki is probably the only source of online documentation that is actually up to date lol.

    I abuse it for literally every stupid corner case on any distro

  • b0o@lemm.eeEnglish
    7411·
    1 year ago

    Cause literally everything is in the wiki, written out very simply. Rewriting that in a chat and email would be counter productive.

    • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
      405·
      1 year ago

      It’s the same shit as working tech support, no one EVER reads manuals or does standard troubleshooting, they instantly jump to asking people for help which forces them to just read out the manual and troubleshooting steps first instead of actually helping those who need help…

      If people could learn to take care of the fundamentals themselves and only ask for help when actually needed, everyone would be better off.

      • DreamButt@lemmy.worldEnglish
        17·
        1 year ago

        As a fellow ex-help desk guy :tm:. I just want to say that A) I feel you but also B) the very fact that you know no one reads manuals should be an indication that expecting them to is a flaw. Instead most people generally do better with hands on coaching. Idk about your job, but back when I was working help desk I got way better results when I let people just be people and patiently guided them through the steps. Most of them catch on eventually

      • A7thStone@lemmy.world
        9·
        1 year ago

        I hate that, because when i call tech support i have to listen to them walk me through the basic steps before i get to the parts i need. I try telling them I’ve already worked through basic troubleshooting, but most of them are reading a script for every idiot that calls.

        • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
          4·
          1 year ago

          It’s sort of a tragedy of the commons sadly, it’s more effective to just treat everyone like a User than to gamble on people actually knowing what they’re doing.

        • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
          11·
          1 year ago

          don’t even need that, i’ve interacted with several companies that use a simple chatbot with pre-programmed responses and honestly? It’s pretty nice and doesn’t feel like bullshit.

          Biggest issue is probably that people tend to forget it’s not a human, and ask it 10 run-on questions which makes the software cry.
          They have to specifically tell you to ask one question at a time and use as few words as possible…

    • at_an_angle@lemmy.oneEnglish
      20·
      1 year ago

      As a noob to Linux: THERE’S A WIKI? Awesome!

      As a mechanic: Everything I deal with comes with an instruction manual that has the steps written out simply… for a mechanic.

      If I didn’t ask the simple questions when I first started, despite having the manual available, never would have learned the basics from someone who knows.

      I’m not trying to sound combative or anything, just that sometimes a person needs a small stepping stone of an answer to progress.

    • RogueBanana@lemmy.zip
      1·
      1 year ago

      I get your sentiment on people skipping the reasearch part and jumping to asking help but I wouldn’t say everything is documented tho. Although for the few problems that I did have arch documentation was pretty nice. I myself have an bluetooth bug that I eventually gave up as I couldn’t find a fix to it, that’s the only post I made with this account if u want to look it up. With things constantly changing and the infinite possibilities of config, there will always be some unknown bugs or issues that no documentation can cover.

      • elscallr@lemmy.world
        41·
        1 year ago

        I’ve never used arch. I haven’t a problem getting a GUI working in Linux since, I think, Mandrake 8. The fuck are you guys doing wrong?

        • AeonFelis@lemmy.world
          21·
          1 year ago

          It’s not that complex if you know how, and the wiki will tell you how, but it is something you have to do from the terminal because Arch does not have a default GUI. Also, there is a bunch of stuff you need to install/setup/configure before you get to installing the GUI. The easier distributions usually have a GUI installer that just let you pick these options (most of which you’ll probably leave at default), but Arch doesn’t have an installer, GUI or otherwise, so you have to run many commands on the terminal before you get access to a GUI browser you can use to copy-paste stuff from the wiki.

          First time I installed Arch I didn’t have a smartphone and I only had one laptop at my disposal, so I had to print the installation guide from the wiki on physical paper, otherwise I wouldn’t have any access to it when installing Arch.

  • Jmr@lemmy.world
    362·
    1 year ago

    "hello fellow linux users, I’m having a problem

    “you fucking noob, go to the fucking wiki”

    • Bri Guy @sopuli.xyzEnglish
      143·
      1 year ago

      lol! this was primarily the reason why i went with endeavourOS. I actually installed arch linux on my laptop later by using archinstall which made the process a whole lot easier, but of course these elitists come out and claim that’s not the “real” way to install arch 🙄

  • iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee
    31·
    1 year ago

    I love hate it when it’s a fairly simple issue and the op gets everything but the answer because people just want to talk shit.

  • LurkNoMore@lemmy.world
    346·
    1 year ago

    I was just getting into Linux desktop development. I asked one question regarding getting the position of a mouse on some Ubuntu developer forum. The response drove me away from developing for Linux and I never returned.

    • woelkchen@lemmy.world
      251·
      1 year ago

      You perhaps could not have known it at that time, but development questions are almost always out of place with a distribution forum. Qt or GTK documentation would probably have been a better stop.

  • Swiggles@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    14·
    1 year ago

    If you are new and need help you can ask in the newbie corner. Most people are really helpful there even with the most trivial problem. Well you can also use it if you are more experienced, it is a nice place to get help and participate.

    In other forums you are expected to have done some research first though, e.g. checked the wiki and maybe the bug tracker first and provide your relevant logs. That’s what might get you in this comics situation though.

  • Schwim Dandy@reddthat.com
    239·
    1 year ago

    Their wiki is amazing but if I had to be a part of the Arch community to use the distro, I would give it a hard pass. They’re toxic AF.

        • Ddhuud@lemmy.world
          4·
          1 year ago

          It turn into mandriva when mandrake bought conectiva amid a legal battle for the name with a comic books company, owners of the character Mandrake.

          The last version was launched in 2011, and the company closed in 2015. Their most prominent derivatives were Open Mandriva, Mageia, PC Linux, and Rosalinux.

          Mageia was founded with most of the developers from mandriva (or so Wikipedia says)

      • Schwim Dandy@reddthat.com
        65·
        1 year ago

        I understand your point but if you end up on their forum through searches, it’s pretty clear that the majority of participants are the loud ones, making it irrelevant how many quiet ones aren’t participating. You’re just reading a topic between someone needing help and a group of people trolling them because they can.

        • Commiunism@lemmy.wtf
          2·
          1 year ago

          I’ve been using arch for 2 years and I’ve been regularly using the forum to troubleshoot issues. The vast majority of posts, at least from what I have seen and experienced were just of people trying to troubleshoot the issue, asking for command outputs, providing suggestions or just wiki links to people who have missed things in the installation or forum links if the issue was solved previously. Sure there might have been some toxicity in some threads, but that’s bound to happen in an open forum.

          Maybe I’m super lucky but that’s my experience with the platform. Most of the toxicity I’ve encountered on the internet when it comes to arch and Linux in general was on reddit and lemmy, where people just try to push other distros down and make their own look superior.

    • Spiracle@kbin.social
      4·
      1 year ago

      The solution I’ve sort-of found is to go to communities of Arch-based systems instead of Arch itself. The same solution should work in most cases*, and the communities are more newbie-friendly.

      *Depends on how close to Arch the distro is in this aspect/subsystem. The Manjaro community is probably less likely to offer AUR based solutions, since the AUR can be unreliable/unsafe on Manjaro.

    • umbraroze@kbin.social
      72·
      1 year ago

      I used to use Ubuntu on my netbook years and years ago, until I came to the conclusion “dammit, at this point, I would have had easier time if I had just installed Debian to begin with”, and installed Debian

    • iloverocks@feddit.de
      1·
      1 year ago

      I would say for a out of the box and for a beginner is mint way easier than arch. Try to explain your grandma what a kernel is and how modules work in there. Mint autoinstalls every printer driver and co. Arch doesn’t. I use arch btw at home but I would never install it for a beginner

  • Norgur@kbin.social
    7·
    1 year ago

    And remember kids, if you do decide to give an answer other than RTFM, make sure to cover all your prompts in tons of awk commands so the noob will never be able to figure out what you told them to do;