Wars are fought by people. Everyone who doesn’t to end blown up somewhere in a trench in an inter imperialist struggle should be antiwar. Stop fucking beating the drums of war, we need to prevent WW3 from happening, and it’s not too late to do so.
Stop cheering for military expenditure, stop electing fascist politicians in Europe, stop buying into war propaganda. We can avoid this war. Do not condemn yourself or your loved ones to passing through the meat grinder, your government doesn’t give a fuck about human rights or abour your life.
Military expenditure is how you avoid war. You think Russia will only attack if Europe is strong? Bizarre…
Also, I don’t think it’s the fascists who want expenditure, or at least not the far right parties, they are pro russia.
Surely giving more money to the lobbyists of Rheinmetall will make Europe much less likely to go to war!!
You think Russia will only attack if Europe is strong?
I think Russia wouldn’t attack the EU if we collectively agreed to maintain good relationships with Russia, as was the case for the past 30 years until EU+US pushed NATO boundaries to Russia and started executing Maidans in the former Russian sphere of influence. That’s not to absolve the Russian government, they’re fascist imperialist pieces of shit, but my point is that so is Europe (e.g. funding genocide in Gaza), and I don’t want another inter-imperialist war like WW1
Also, I don’t think it’s the fascists who want expenditure
But you’re willing to increase it even at risk of them getting to the government
Oh wow you actually believe what you are saying, this is sad.
EU was exceedingly friendly with Russia for the last 30 years, until the war happened. And no, this was not because NATO was pushing boundaries, this is nonsense. Crazy that you actually believe this.
I think Russia wouldn’t attack the EU if we collectively agreed to maintain good relationships with Russia
That’s pretty much France and especially Germany’s playbook for Russian relations for the past few decades though. It seemed to work well until it suddenly didn’t, so we’re gonna have to try the other way
The EU funded genocide in Palestine for committing the cardinal sin of existing though, what’s your point? Russia surely sucks, so does Europe, I don’t wanna fucking die in the front lines and neither do you, so stop warmongering
Lol “Europe is fascists pieces of shit”, you heard it here first folks. No, Israel is the fascist pieces of shit and they can take full responsibility.
You cannot make peace with someone that wants to annex you, control you or genocide you. Do you say the same to beaten wives so they don’t divorce their husband?
Come on now. Let’s not pretend there aren’t limits to negotiation with a violent person that refuses to stop being violent. No matter how many times you tell them, “No no, bad, baaaad! Killing baad! Genocide baaad!” To reform them, if they keep doing it: They have no respect for you and respect, last I checked, is a mutual two way street.
In such cases, the bully (murderer in this case) needs to be checked in the guts hard enough to submit, because that bully doesn’t want to change and since we can’t imprison the damn psychopath and he refuses to stop, teaching him a lesson will have to happen sooner or later.
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In 1994, Ukraine agreed to transfer these [nukes] to Russia for dismantlement and became a party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, in exchange for economic compensation and assurances from Russia, the United States and United Kingdom to respect the Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.
Peace is a cooperative effort. Warfare can be conducted unilaterally. Unless you can stop him on his terms, what you want is completely irrelevant to the negotiations.
The meaning behind that Latin aphorism predates civilization. It is the reason so many herbivorous animals evolved horns or antlers.
Being anti war when Russia is around is essentially the same thing as being pro Russia, because they’re willing and able to use violent force to get what they want, and if you’re not willing to defend yourself, you will be subjugated.
As I said before, Russia doesn’t truly do diplomacy, if they do it’s just to keep you distracted. The only language they truly respect is that of force, and they’ve shown that over hundreds of years.
Wars are fought by people. Everyone who doesn’t to end blown up somewhere in a trench in an inter imperialist struggle should be antiwar. Stop fucking beating the drums of war, we need to prevent WW3 from happening, and it’s not too late to do so.
Stop cheering for military expenditure, stop electing fascist politicians in Europe, stop buying into war propaganda. We can avoid this war. Do not condemn yourself or your loved ones to passing through the meat grinder, your government doesn’t give a fuck about human rights or abour your life.
Military expenditure is how you avoid war. You think Russia will only attack if Europe is strong? Bizarre… Also, I don’t think it’s the fascists who want expenditure, or at least not the far right parties, they are pro russia.
Surely giving more money to the lobbyists of Rheinmetall will make Europe much less likely to go to war!!
I think Russia wouldn’t attack the EU if we collectively agreed to maintain good relationships with Russia, as was the case for the past 30 years until EU+US pushed NATO boundaries to Russia and started executing Maidans in the former Russian sphere of influence. That’s not to absolve the Russian government, they’re fascist imperialist pieces of shit, but my point is that so is Europe (e.g. funding genocide in Gaza), and I don’t want another inter-imperialist war like WW1
But you’re willing to increase it even at risk of them getting to the government
Oh wow you actually believe what you are saying, this is sad. EU was exceedingly friendly with Russia for the last 30 years, until the war happened. And no, this was not because NATO was pushing boundaries, this is nonsense. Crazy that you actually believe this.
“My side of government propaganda is right, the other side is wrong”. Get a grasp at geopolitics
That’s pretty much France and especially Germany’s playbook for Russian relations for the past few decades though. It seemed to work well until it suddenly didn’t, so we’re gonna have to try the other way
Russia didn’t attack the EU though?
Sure, it only attacked its neighbor for committing the cardinal sin of trying to get into the EU and being afraid of Russia’s expansionism.
The EU funded genocide in Palestine for committing the cardinal sin of existing though, what’s your point? Russia surely sucks, so does Europe, I don’t wanna fucking die in the front lines and neither do you, so stop warmongering
Lol “Europe is fascists pieces of shit”, you heard it here first folks. No, Israel is the fascist pieces of shit and they can take full responsibility.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Oh you spoke in Latin, hence you must be right!
I want peace, which is why I will push for negotiations and peace agreements between Russia and Europe (and probably the US seeing their tendencies)
And what are you going to push for when Russia breaks those agreements?
Judging by his statement, @AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com would want more “peace” negotiations.
Yes, I would want more honest peace negotiations. What’s wrong with peace negotiations?
You cannot make peace with someone that wants to annex you, control you or genocide you. Do you say the same to beaten wives so they don’t divorce their husband?
Come on now. Let’s not pretend there aren’t limits to negotiation with a violent person that refuses to stop being violent. No matter how many times you tell them, “No no, bad, baaaad! Killing baad! Genocide baaad!” To reform them, if they keep doing it: They have no respect for you and respect, last I checked, is a mutual two way street.
In such cases, the bully (murderer in this case) needs to be checked in the guts hard enough to submit, because that bully doesn’t want to change and since we can’t imprison the damn psychopath and he refuses to stop, teaching him a lesson will have to happen sooner or later.
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False dichotomy. The options aren’t “peace” or “WORLD WAR THREE”.
There’s a third option, where Russia decides on “War” against the EU, and the EU says “Annex me harder, Daddy”.
That third option is the worst of the three. It’s also the option you are advocating.
After the aggressor has invaded your country twice?
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Appeasement never has and never will keep bullies from attacking you.
Presupposing that the “evil country” will break agreements isn’t good praxis in diplomacy. There would never be deescalation and diplomacy otherwise.
Russia is currently breaking the agreements made after they annexed Crimea.
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Peace is a cooperative effort. Warfare can be conducted unilaterally. Unless you can stop him on his terms, what you want is completely irrelevant to the negotiations.
The meaning behind that Latin aphorism predates civilization. It is the reason so many herbivorous animals evolved horns or antlers.
Your entire argument is “diplomacy doesn’t exist”. It’s not particularly solid
You don’t get to talk to Putin’s ambassador until you have a plan to deal with his general.
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The only way to avoid war is by being able to make it too costly for Russia to conduct it. That is the only thing that will keep them at the table.
Being ready and able to fight is the only way to ensure you won’t have to.
This “negotiate from a position of weakness” argument you are raising is the stupidest thing I’ve read in the past 24 hours.
Being anti war when Russia is around is essentially the same thing as being pro Russia, because they’re willing and able to use violent force to get what they want, and if you’re not willing to defend yourself, you will be subjugated.
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Remind me again, which country is currently actively invading and occupying multiple neighbouring countries?
Like, I realise every major power has been a colonising force at some point in their life, but only one is currently doing it.
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As I said before, Russia doesn’t truly do diplomacy, if they do it’s just to keep you distracted. The only language they truly respect is that of force, and they’ve shown that over hundreds of years.