American Dr Mark Perlmutter, who has volunteered in Gaza, says one of his Palestinian colleagues was taken by Israeli occupation forces, had his fingers shattered and was told to confess to being a member of Hamas or have his wife gang raped in front of him.
Soldiers ‘crushed’ his fingers, Perlmutter explains, adding that they also threatened to ‘send a drone to your bedroom window and incinerate your children.’ The doctor did not confess and spent 11 months being tortured in Israeli detention.
I’m always really surprised more people don’t post this stuff in conservative dominated spaces.
They’re not monsters. Aside from the trolls and bots that are paid to try to sway them to be. Also the under 20 year olds that are edge Lords.
I think it’s legit to get discussions and to challenge their core beliefs honestly. I do it. Some get through, sometimes I get banned. But I’m surprised more people don’t go out and do similar
Most moderators of conservative spaces actively remove this type of news. If you manage to find a conservative space allowing this kind of stuff by all means do post it there.
I see your comment here, have you considered posting your articles on !world@quokk.au as well?
That’s kind of my point though. There’s like 15 moderators maybe and those moderators likely moderate a measly 1500 other sites and forums and twitch hot tub chats. They can only do so much before they have to either hammer down and prove they are not free speech or they let some past.
Plus this is saying that you’re posting honestly. Legit news that is to drive discussion and not to just rub a dog’s nose in it’s own shit.
Would be great to go back to the days when we’re all mingled. I honestly hate a lot of spaces now because there filled with people who are too out there left or right. It’s boring, it’s predictable and lacks almost no insight into any of these issues. It’s all just rhetoric and cawing
Have you tried? Your fantasy depiction of unfortunate misguided Nazis does not meet up with reality.
I do. I’m saying I’m surprised I don’t see more. It happens with spaces on the left all the time too.
It’s crazy how in the last ten years we have allowed moderation to drive us into separate corners. A time out was maybe a good idea. But we should still be working to merge back into a single Internet.
And fuck off with the ‘they’re are all Nazis’ shit. That’s the same bullshit that made MAGA go off the rails.
I know on Reddit that r/conservative had a bit of a meltdown because their users started having honest takes like “people should be held accountable for Intel leak”
They have this term “my fellow conservatives” that was clearly bots trying to suppress anyone from voicing dissent. Surprisingly lots of down votes for it. Just saying maybe there’s a middle ground more than people think.
Nah. They’re sitting at the Nazi table, until they willingly walk away: they’re Nazis. If they don’t like hearing it they can off themselves or leave the Nazi table, either one is fine
You can’t “leave the Nazi table” if there’s no actual Nazi table. Take Ukraine, for example: think of the Azov Brigade. It doesn’t’t mean the entire Ukrainian population or military is made up of Nazi just because they’re tolerated.
It’s a fallacy to judge the whole based on an extreme subset. Just because there are far-right elements within a group doesn’t mean everyone in that group shares those beliefs.
Now, I’m not denying that some people are too comfortable with far-right ideologies within their ranks. That’s a real issue. But I also know many who clearly don’t align with that. So, while it’s valid to call out Nazi ideology when it appears, labeling people or groups as Nazis indiscriminately just weakens the argument.
Instead of using “Nazi” as a blunt instrument, we should confront the actual behavior when it happens and hold people accountable for it. That approach is far more likely to lead to real consequences and dialogue, rather than being written off as exaggeration or political posturing.
So you’re blind or stupid? If you think the Nazi table doesn’t exist, let alone isn’t literally in charge right now then it’s one or the other
You can’t dismiss someone as a Nazi in this political climate. That’s like turning your back on a leaky pipe.
On the contrary, associating with the Nazi party that is actively disappearing innocent people off the street is turning your back on liberty and justice.
no, you need to convince the moderates not to be nazis.
It’s often said that there’s no difference between a Nazi and someone who sits at a table with a Nazi. But it’s not true – one of them can be persuaded back to reason.
It’s worth a shot, but by and large the more reasonable conservatives are generally no where near those communities. Certainly the moderation of those communities are fanatic about Trump. The conservatives that you might have hoped to call Trump on his stuff have calculated that they can’t afford to challenge Trump even if they personally think he is in the wrong. The ones that have calculated otherwise have been pushed out of the conservative community.
Keep in mind only a very small percentage of users post or write comments. Like less then 10%. And they’re nuts. We’re nuts for posting and commenting into the ether. But we’re even crazier for doing it in a place where everyone just agrees.
You’re not dealing with the person you’re commenting to. It’s about the 90% of others reading it.
It’s hard to reason seriously with online randos whose face you can’t see. You need extra rules to ensure civility and fact-based constructive reasoning. And even then there will be the odd vatnik agitator throwing potential constructive debate in the toilet.
It’s a popularity contest. Don’t need many rules beyond being funny. That’s the language. Anything else, you’re wasting your breath. Content is king. It’s how all our parents and grandmothers learned about COVID and everything else since then. They became addicted to memes and funny posts that had hidden political content