I can attest that the Osprey was considered a dangerous piece of shit aircraft among many Air Force members since back in the 90s. Over the years since hearing that talk the odd Osprey crash has hit the news here and there, and I’m thinking they were right.
About fucking time. Scrap the pieces of shit and call it a day.
So what would you replace them with? AFAIK, the Osprey’s safety record isn’t worse than that of comparable systems.
It could be far better than other systems if it wasn’t a piece of shit.
So the other ones are pieces of shit too?
Considering how much newer and more expensive the Osprey is, no, no it is not a contradiction to expect it to be better.
You’re just saying that all comparable systems are also horrible. VTOL fixed wing aircraft are expensive and unsafe unfortunately.
What comparable systems?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The military announced late Wednesday it was grounding all of its Osprey V-22 helicopters, one week after eight Air Force Special Operations Command service members died in a crash off the coast of Japan.
The crash raised new questions about the safety of the Osprey, which has been involved in multiple fatal accidents over its relatively short time in service.
It said the standdown was expected to remain in place until the investigation determined the cause of the Japan crash and made recommendations to allow the fleet to return to operations.
The U.S.-made Osprey is a hybrid aircraft that takes off and lands like a helicopter but can rotate its propellers forward and cruise much faster, like an airplane, during flight.
While the investigation into last week’s crash has only just begun, it renewed attention on the aircraft’s safety record, particularly on a mechanical problem with the clutch that has troubled the program for more than a decade.
In its report on the crash, the Marines forewarned that future incidents “are impossible to prevent” without improvements to flight control system software, drivetrain component material strength, and robust inspection requirements.”
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Didn’t they just say they were not going to do this like a few days ago?
On their best days helicopters are just thousands of parts all trying to fly away from each other, surrounding a giant oil leak. Taking that and making it turn is going to cause issues. I’m interested to see what the accident report says, and if it’s a fatal design flaw or something they can work around.
Feels like we’re getting an increase in US military aviation accidents. I wonder why that is.
I’m guessing it has to do with culture. This generation simply doesn’t take the responsibility of flying something as dangerous as a helicopter as seriously as previous ones.
You know that’s just shitty boomer “my generation was better” logic, right?
Hey man, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s never true.
If training programs do not effectively instruct on the dangers involved in a process and how to avoid them, the problem lies with the training program, not the trainees.
In that context, theres an argument to be made that it’s the older generations who are putting together ineffective training curricula, and then blaming the trainees when that poor training yields poor and/or dangerous performance.
You know that’s just shitty Gen-Z “boomers suck” logic, right?
It would be Mellenials and Gen-X making the training but, nevertheless, at least there’s merit for the younger generation blaming the older generation.
Any problem an older generation can claim exists with a younger generation can generally be traced right back to the older one.
{infinite blame loop initiate}
I was just making commentary on blaming entire swaths of age groups. I assure you my poor grandma in Appalachia didn’t cause the housing crisis.
But it’s actually (God, Hopefully) Gen-X training on the Osprey, and boomers/Gen-X wrote the manuals, but all the maintenance is likely done by youngest millennials and Gen-Z by now.
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This thing was a piece of shit boondoggle back when I was in highschool during the Clinton Administration. Constantly crashing and unfit for service, should have never seen the light of day.
I think a claim like this would require some data showing the training and certification programs have gotten easier. Do you have that data?
It would not require that. You can pass the training and certification then still slack off in the field.
Usually there’s continued testing and inspections and service members continue to attempt to climb the ladder. Again, assuming your hypothesis is correct, you’d need data that inspections are either dropping or decreasing, testing is dropping or decreasing, and requirements to move up have been reduced. Do you have that?
You keep saying what is required as though it’s absolute fact.
I just said you can “can pass the training and certification [and inspections] then still slack off in the field.” What part about this is so difficult for you to understand?
A) They are not getting an increase in aviation accidents. You are just hearing about it more.
B) This specific “plane-icopter” has been a dangerous piece of shit since it was first flown in 1989 (and not introduced until 2007 because of all the troubles they had with it).
C) The Osprey is 35 year old technology that’s showing its age.
You can go look at Wikipedia for a list of military accidents. Just look at 1990. There used to be a shitload of US military accidents.
What about the 20 years between 1990 and 2010? The 25 years between 1990 and 2015?
I’m not saying they didn’t happen, but they seem to be happening much more frequently now. Hence why we actually have groundings to see what’s going on.
I really think it’s a cultural issue. People get lazy, think technology/training will do it for them, and then reality hits. Hard.
Edit: Or, I guess, pilot error isn’t the cause? If it is pilot error, though, then maybe my theory has some credence?
What I’m saying is the reality doesn’t match up with your gut feeling. Military accidents are getting more rare, and I suspect what you are noticing is that now that they’re more rare, each accident is a news story as compared to before when they were blurbs on the nightly news.
Which generation are we talking about? because the osprey has been a POS for 20 years at least.
Go take your meds and quit blaming the “kids these days” grandpa
