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Torvalds is a C programmer who didn’t even consider himself accomplished until he made Git, long after Linux.
Sebastian is a warehouse manager who still thinks he’s better than everyone else because he worked at
NZXTNCIX lol.NCIX = NZXT?
No they are different.
They are different, but to clarify, Linus Sebastian worked at NCIX (defunct computer parts / tech retailer), not NZXT (computer hardware manufacturer).
I’m dumb, thank you
LTT needs Emily back in front of the camera to provide a proper Linux perspective.
I pretty much stopped watching after Emily stopped being on camera and unsubbed entirely after the harassment and overworking allegations came out.
And I’m not even a Linux person 99% of the time! I do run a home server, but my daily driver is windows. Emily was just one of the only people on the channel that not only seemed to know exactly what she was talking about, but also didn’t behave like a total tech dude bro the entire time
Emily left a couple months ago
Yes. That’s literally what they said
not exactly. she was always primarily a writer at LTT
No, I knew she had stopped being on-camera and switched to being a writer only (I assumed temporarily until she felt comfortable/confident post-transition), but I had no idea that she more recently quit LTT entirely. @Player2’s comment was news to me!
Did she mention why? I was expecting her to start doing videos again at some point…
Needed to search who Emily is. I was totally out of the loop.
Yeah she was the best.
Sorry about that. I don’t know the right way to reference a trans person who was famous under their former identity but not their real one.
Me neither, I think the best approach is to use the new identity always, if the person is interested they can search for it.
I miss Emily. She was amazing.
Representative of the Linux user base as well 😂
Context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-owBhLGaH4
People probably know Anthony. They are the same person.
I know people know “Anthony;” I was just uncertain of the appropriateness of mentioning that name.
Also, LOL at this comment on the video:
@jeffc3051 1 year ago
Oh thank god. I thought you were going to say you started using Windows.
Linus Torvalds is still a Git
At least he wasn’t caught promoting a browser extension that turned out to be a huge scam that stole money from both regular people and other content creators trying to earn some affiliate revenue.
A lot of creators were tricked into that. The problematic part was that they realized the issue and completely went silent about the issue instead of raising awareness of the scam. Alerting about that fact would have been a great tech tip.
I think they were not aware of the scam that screwed over users at the time, only the one that screwed themselves over
Absolutely, that may be important. LTT were only aware of the extension screwing over the creators, not that the customers were also getting screwed.
They said they found out at around the same time as all the other creators, so breaking it into a video wouldn’t have mattered for anyone. The people they assumed were affected at the time already knew and were dropping the sponsorships.
Right, and we don’t know why anyone would choose to remain silent if they’re aware of the issue, unless they were paid to sign an NDA.
Hey, but he admits it!
He does tend to name things after himself doesn’t he?
Well he was about to name it freax or somethin and someone else named it linux iirc
Uhm aktchewally, its the GNU-Linus Tech Tip system, a complete free software advice and content engine
Linus Tech Tips is just one of many distros that run on the Linus Media Group kernal
free only as in beer, however
“ThE aLlEgAtIoNs WeRe PrOvEn To Be FaLsE By aN iNdEPeNdEnT tHiRd-PaRtY iNvEsTiGaTiOn.”
How would someone better address a situation like that?
Open up to some third party coming in and publicly investigate and share their findings. Wasn’t this entire investigation behind closed doors with LMG giving the final “Yeah they said we’re good” message?
If that’s the case, that’s like me being accused of a crime and hiring my own prosecutor, judge, and jury in a closed court. No shit I’m gonna say I did nothing wrong lol.
Ah yes. “Someone said she was harassed. Let’s post all of the investigation details publicly.”
That will go well. There’s zero chance that it could backfire and turn a victim into a target, or suppress future victims from speaking out because the last person to do so got doxxed /s
Situations like this need to be handled with discretion so that you can avoid re-victimizing anyone who was wronged. Even if the original victim was found to be crying wolf, there’s still a victim somewhere who was wronged; The person/people they accused, for instance.
Okay, fair. When I said public, I didn’t mean to say publicly share every single detail. Obviously, there needs to be discretion. That said, the fact that all flow of information was via LMG themselves means there’s absolutely zero chance they will say there is any wrongdoing.
Another way to look at it is that they already had a media company with an established viewer base and reach, and they used it to broadcast the investigation details as widely as possible while still maintaining privacy for everyone involved. What would you have them do, get the investigation company to post the “all clear” message somewhere that nobody will ever see it? They already had a soapbox, so they used it; They likely didn’t see any need to reinvent the wheel when they already had a way to broadcast the message.
Have you ever worked in a professional environment?
Random people have absolutely no right to see the details of that report.
Shit - I work in the public sector where people can demand to see the co tents of my phone, but there are classes of information we do not share. Specifically, we don’t share details regarding active litigation, property negotiation, or personnel matters.
You can’t share that kind of stuff. There is a victim somewhere, if it’s the accuser/ accused being the victim or the accuser being a victim of their own behavior.
That he paid good money for.
Thats how that works no? Who should pay for it?
Preferably, these 3rd party investigations should be done by a regulated entity, chosen by a 3rd party that the business being investigated has no say in, with no contact between the chosen investigative party and the business being investigated until the investigation has started.
So yes, you are correct that LTT needs to be the ones to pay for the investigation, but they shouldn’t be allowed to know who they were paying until after the fact, and they certainly should not be allowed to choose who they paid.
There would need to be a legal complaint for a regulatory body correct? A legal complaint was never made.
That’s… How it works? They didn’t inspect themselves and pat themselves on the back, but brought in pros, and worked with them and avidwd by their findings?
They set a very high bar in this one specific area.
Admittedly didn’t look to closely, but weren’t they the ones funding the third party investigation group? Seems like conflict of interest, I mean those findings would seem legit if the third party was agreed to by both sides.
Third parties don’t investigate for free
or I guess they do sometimes if you go to the police, but ymmw
Not saying that, they could still fund them, but it would have to be an third party that both sides agree to
Torvalds’s history of verbal abuse is well documented in public mailing list archives.
I can’t speak about whatever happened behind closed doors at LTT nor am I defending anything by LTT but Torvalds is not sunshine and rainbows either.
I won’t argue with you there. Don’t get me wrong, Linus Torvald’s contribution to the world is huge. And the Linux kernel being an open source project, I’m sure he had to deal with his share of angry dickwads.
In his defence, he did take a break and did some anger management therapy.
But, if he’s an angry asshole, than that’s what it is. I still prefer an tolerant and inclusive asshole than one that won’t own up to his mistakes and make women feel physically threatened.
So the real choice here is between a shit sandwich or a douche.
what did they do? im lost
A former LTT employee made claims of sexual harassment and poor working environment. LTT paid a third party to investigate those claims and unsurprisingly didn’t find evidence that supported those claims. A lot of LTT stans use this as “evidence” that the accuser was lying. Assuming that is clearly false logic, investigating yourself isn’t proof of innocence.
When you’re the size of LMG you don’t hire investigative law firms for PR; you do it for liability. The goal is to limit corporate liability by removing individuals likely to get you sued, and most importantly to distance leadership from it with plausible deniability. The firm also has its own reputation to consider, and wouldn’t let a client get away with materially misrepresenting their results.
I don’t think its unreasonable to suggest that a positive finding from an investigative firm is evidence to support their position that they, materially, did nothing wrong. The fact that no one was fired as a result of that investigation is a good sign externally, as it would open them up to more liability if they knew about it and did nothing.
Adding to this, at least publicly, they stated that regardless of the outcome, the situation highlighted changes that needed to be made within their organization. IIRC, they didn’t produce anything for bit while they “addressed the issues.” I recall a YT video of Linus explaining all that. Take it for what it’s worth.
Personally, I think it’s likely that something happened that offended a former employee. That thing may or may not have been a misunderstanding, but either way, the employee felt harassed. I can’t fault how LMG handled it. Any other company would’ve responded similarly. I’m not saying they did the “bare minimum.” I’m saying, to me, their response seemed reasonable.
Not being held legally liable ≠ Nothing happened
Afaik the report that was done was not made public. If one side paid for the investigation and controls all the info in said investigation then it can’t be used as proof of innocence.
The firm also has its own reputation to consider, and wouldn’t let a client get away with materially misrepresenting their results.
Meaning what? What would the company doing the investigation do is if the claims that someone said:
I was asked about my sexual history, my boyfriends sexual history, “how I liked to fuck”.
I was asked to twerk for a co-worker at one point.
I was told I was chunky, fat, ugly, stupid. I was called “retarded” I was called a "removed
Where true? How would one even prove that actually happened to them? The Investigation Company surely signed an NDA and had no legal ability to release any info found in says investigation right? If they started releasing info that accusations where in fact true they would lose all their business immediately right?
Usually it’s frowned upon to demand that people prove their innocence. We’ve tried that system and a bunch of innocent people ended up dead
Failing to find evidence of course also doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, only that we don’t know, because there’s, you know, not enough evidence
I agree.
Then don’t watch LTT
At the end of the day you are under no obligation to support LTT.
Well yeah. That’s what I’m doing.
Good lord. what happened this time?
I think a group of people found a dead horse they like beating. They enjoy it, so they will keep going.
I just hate fanboys who’ll defend someone famous tooth and nail no matter what, like that person can do no wrong. I’m just so tired of this. Whether it’s Linus fans or Musk fans or whatever.
I used to love what LTT did, NGL. I really enjoyed their channel. I also had my reservations at first when I heard that girl’s story. But looking a little further I found they didn’t treat their employees nicely, especially if they were women. And Linus’ attitude towards the people he wronged really irked me. So fuck him.
And every time I mentioned that story, the little fan boys come out of the woodwork and all reply with that same stupid comment. We don’t know how that company, that LMG paid for, did their investigation, we don’t know what evidence was presented to them, so what do we really know about this invetigation? Just because they didn’t find anything doesn’t mean nothing wrong was done.
you speak of foss yet you use Google curious /s
Of course
Yes. I use Google because it gives me the best results of all the FOSS (but shitty) search engines I’ve tested. I won’t change the tools in my workflow until the replacements work the same or better.
C’mon man DDG ain’t that bad and Google search ain’t that good anyways
Well, I’m guessing OP had the same issue as me, where DDG just didn’t deliver any usable results when searching for more technical topics. Unfortunately, no search engine is really there yet. Google just does that one thing too well. I can ditch Google for most things I use, except for search and YouTube. Those two things it does so much better than its competitors. :(
Exactly! But some people won’t understand it anyway
DDG
Or Brave search.
What’s wrong with LTT?
https://lemmy.zip/comment/13100245
Here’s a quick roundup of some, but not all of the issues people have with LTT.
All these things listed are blunders (some quite big ones) but I think the person who responded to that comment with the opposing view makes a lot of sense. They added the nuance to the situation that the comment you linked to I think glasses over since they obviously don’t like Linus. Personally their (the response comments) take is where I stand on these issues too.
Obvious, as LTT has grown they have made mistakes but they have always explained their reasoning or otherwise apologised and tried to make things right.
Overall I think they are a force for good in the world. They teach millions about tech, how to use it, and how you can save money. As they become more corporate their passion may fade but I think it’s still there and I’ll probably keep watching their stuff for the time being
But you don’t understand. This is the Internet. You are either a saint or the anti-christ. There is nothing In-between and nuance is propaganda. And if you don’t agree with my currently held emotionally charged position, you are what’s wrong with (fill in the blank).
Unfortunately thats the problem with the world atm. No one cares for the facts, just what ever fits their narrative
The more recent context has to do with Linus personally, Rossman just did a video on it
The work load stuff they seem to have improved (from what I can tell) but the result of the sexual harassment investigation they had been carried out is unknown to the public as far as I know (I assume by now it’s concluded). Not sure we’ll ever know what really happened cause that sort of info probably won’t become public.
Given there are other women what continue to work there (I implore them to speak up if they feel the same) hopefully it was just an isolated incident and whoever was responsible was fired.
the result of the sexual harassment investigation they had been carried out is unknown to the public as far as I know (I assume by now it’s concluded).
I don’t remember where it was posted - maybe a community note on YouTube - but they basically said that the third party investigation they had done concluded that the accusations were unfounded.
It isn’t possible to know what is going on. Also I don’t think it is appropriate for Linus to share private information with the public. Any workplace misconduct should not become a public issue.
LTT is a joke, but that’s why it’s interesting to watch.
From what I’ve discerned, the fame; internet clout; and money got to their heads to the point they drifted from mostly impartial and helpful information to a more biased perspective, with which benefits their sponsors more than their viewers or the community as a whole.
Tbh, I don’t think I agree. The only times I feel they can’t really be impartial “even if they say they are” is when they use a sponsors parts to build something. Or otherwise the whole video is sponsored but they kinda are reviewing the fevice. I don’t really like those videos but they are very clear about the fact that it is sponsored so viewers can at least down some salt whilst they watch the video. They also do state some issues they have with the products when they arise which is good (though obviously they may not say everything that’s wrong with it)
I like LTT videos personally. They are always fun to watch even if they aren’t perfect.
Honestly I didn’t really care about the allegations until Steve Burke alleged that Linus told him he’s “less autistic then he used to be”. Its also annoying how he clearly has a superiority complex.
they’re probably just mad that his Linux videos do a terrible job representing Linux.
I watched his videos on Linux and tried using Ubuntu myself a little while back and tbh I kinda had a similar experience to him.
Being asked to restart fairly often and finding it difficult to instal more niche things with command line even if I could just copy paste stuff. I like the lack of Microsoft bullshit but the programs I used for uni and games weren’t compatible at the time.
That being said I tried about a year before steam deck became a thing and I got that a year+ ago and haven’t had too many issues like that (still some though). Looking forward to general steamos release cause I definitely want to try again
Yeah, I think most people that have 10 or more years experience with linux or unix or other forms think that it has gotten much easier to start out than when they did it, sure it was a struggle back then, but it’s been ten years and I have an easy time with all of it now, so it must be easier now. It may be a bit easier than it was 10 years ago, or 20 years ago, but it’s still very much not “accessible”. Even most steam deck users have a hard time with the very simple, presentable, accessible version that comes on that.
It’s easy to lose track of how hard something is when it hasn’t been for you in a long time. But linux is unfortunately still very inaccessible for the vast majority of people. It is constantly moving in the right direction, and generally worth getting through the hard part to make it to the other side, but you need motivation to do so, as it will fight back for a long time. But, windows and mac have it almost as bad. Neither one is quite as hard to transition to as linux, but there is still a decent barrier to switch between them. Once linux is around that same level of barrier, that’s when we can expect the numbers to come up notably.
Tbh I found steam os alright mostly cause devs making stuff for it have put work into making things GUI based. That being said, I did try install some other stuff to see what I could do and it got confusing so maybe cause I only game on it it’s fine 😅.
I have used windows for all my life but the main reason I want to try switch to Linux is cause windows has gone to shit. Literally one of the 3 largest companies in the world can’t make a file explorer that actually works correctly. Plus MS pushing their own services hard is just so annoying.
Ubuntu isnt very good, but a lot of people recommend it because it used to be good. use something else that has an Ubuntu base (for app availability). I would recommend tuxedo os for kde plasma and pop os for a gnome-like experience but a little better. a lot of people recommend mint but I wouldn’t, though the reason I wouldn’t doesn’t really matter to newer users. the most important thing to consider (assuming you’re choosing something with an Ubuntu base ther handles drivers normally) is what desktop environment you want. Ubuntu is a modified version of gnome. gnome is kind of like the computer equivalent of how phones work (in a good way). kde plasma is visually a lot like windows (pre 11)by default, but has enough customization that it can look however you want (mine is set up with a windows 10 style taskbar, tiling, and gnome-like handling of virtual desktops). pop shell (what pop os has) is a modified version of gnome that is kind of in between gnome and a conventional desktop, and they are working on something new called cosmic that is even better. remember you can always use a virtual machine to test without affecting your normal system.
edit: forgot to mention cinnamon (mint’s desktop). it looks pretty much just like windows 10 like kde, but it has less customization (on purpose). whether that matters or not is up to you.
The fact that you can apparently install the “wrong OS” isn’t making it easier for first time Linux users.
Especially if that “wrong OS” is a popular OS.
I never said it was the “wrong OS”, I’m just saying that it isn’t very good as opposed to other distros. I also went on to explain exactly why I say that and that the best distro is the one you like the most that works for your use case.
You don’t, but plenty of Linux users says it’s the wrong OS. In fact, I’ve seen plenty that says you shouldn’t choose many of the most popular distros such as Linux Mint and Pop_OS. It always makes me wonder if these people aren’t just trying to sabotage Linux desktop adoption among newbies by making it more confusing than it needs to be. Just say the pros and cons of such and such distro and just let people make their own choice instead of trying to push their favourite distro over more popular ones.
firstly, I clarified that I wasn’t saying it was bad. second, what other people say independent of me is irrelevant to what I said. third, I explained what the problem was that was making me say that about ubuntu in detail, cited the people saying there is a ‘wrong’ distro as a reason for doing that, and explicitly said (twice in this thread) that the only relevant things in how good a distro is are whether you like it and whether it works for you.
I’m definitely gonna come back to this when I try Linux again sometime this year when I have a moment to mess around!
Probably a dumb question but why is Ubuntu bad?
It’s not ‘bad’ necessarily, but it makes a lot of controversial decisions such as it’s use of snap packages over flatpak. these decisions are harmful to the linux community as a whole and to the experience of using ubuntu, so it’s best to avoid supporting it.
for some context on the snap thing, basically different distros use different packaging formats (.deb, .rpm, etc.) which makes it hard to distribute software. also, each individual system is set up differently and has different packages which can make fixing bugs difficult, especially for developers who aren’t very familiar with linux. to solve this, flatpak is distro-agnostic (runs on any linux) and puts the app in the same environment on every system. it’s also sandboxed, which basically means each app is in it’s own little box and it can only see/interact with things it has permission to. snap does most of that as well, but unlike flatpak it is completely controlled by a single entity (canonical, company behind ubuntu) and it means that instead of one sandboxed thing for every distro we have two, which solves nothing. there are some other issues as well, but currently the issue of snap packages is the biggest one most people have with ubuntu.
for more information on all this, I would recommend The Linux Expirement on youtube. not by any means the only good linux channel, but my favorite. also, please ignore the tribalism. people will act like there is a best distro, there is not. people will act like a distro is useless because it doesn’t have some random tool that most don’t, it is not. if you like the distro and it works for you the it’s the best one because your use case is all that matters on your computer.
Thanks for the explanation! Makes sense why people don’t like it now
No problem, I try to explain that pretty well when people ask because it’s something that there’s a lot of misleading info about because of the tribalism.
Ubuntu has gone to shit, use Mint instead
I see this a lot but I always wonder why is it bad? Didn’t seem that bad when I tried it
snaps forced down your throat, stability issues, lots of bad decisions in the past (unity, ads in menu or terminal)
none of that is in mint
I think they were mostly fine. Could be better but not terrible.
Only 3 reasons to watch their type of vids, preview/review of shiny new tech product, technical expertise or entertaining hosts.
But these days, other channels have the same access to new products, they are definitely not experts in the subjects they cover, and I find all the hosts pretty dull.
Do they still have 3 sponsors per video?
They’re a bunch of Windows power-user clowns cosplaying as tech experts.
Long story short, he’s an ignorant asshole. Sorry I don’t have enough time atm to list all the detaills lol. Gamer Nexus recently made another post about him and his company which was also going around on lemmy.
Edit: someone else made a good summary https://lemmy.zip/comment/13100245
https://gamersnexus.net/gn-extras/our-response-linus-sebastian
Spouting shit and not providing any proof. Are you a republican?
Like I said I didn’t have time to list them as I am traveling looking at mobile to pass time. Since you are quick to judge, are you a Republican? :P
In truth, are we all Republicans?
Tbh, whether GN is right or not I do find his reporting practices kinda wack. Not asking for comment before a video is put out is disengenuous even if the response. Regardless of what a response to that would be I think it’s fair to ask for comment at least
Previously they did reach out privately (like when LTT plagiarised GN) but after Linus said something negative about GN publicly unwarranted, they had a fallout and everything is done publicly now. Seems fair to me and he always reaches out to other companies first before making a report from what I can see. I don’t remember what the drama was about but something to do with testing a product when LTT made a mistake and got too defensive when they got called out.
Edit: found a comment explaining that with bit more detail https://lemmy.zip/comment/13100245
It is a little sus that Gamers Nexus didn’t make a statement.
Statement about?
A lot of there claims were more like white lies. At one point they were sharing real concerns but now there channel is more about throwing people under the bus.
His last article is as clear as it can be and it was a response, Linus started it. I am not sure what you are taking about, give some examples.
Gamers nexus was easily proven wrong too. Trusting gamers nexus on anything these days is just gonna make you look bad. Steve has clearly no problem with attacking LTT no matter what he has to make up in order to do so. LTT aren’t saints, but they aren’t making up shit in order to attack other creators. It’s just not possible to trust GN to be proper journalists anymore.
When was GN proven wrong and did they at least admit they where wrong? Everybody gets things wrong, it’s how often you’re wrong and how you handle being wrong that matters.
The whole copper heatsink thing? Like literally all of it (like everything from that video, not just the heatsink) was immediately debunked and Steve did and said nothing to take back his comments. If I remember right he even doubled down, but I could be misremembering.
If I remember right he even doubled down, but I could be misremembering.
Steve doubled down because he was sent the entire email exchange from the heatsink company and posted it as proof.
And he once again didn’t bother to actually do any journalism and so turned out completely wrong. Why would you trust someone like that, that has shown time and time again they can’t actually do the one thing they claim their job is?
A lawsuit would be needed to force LTT’s email provider to give their emails to a court.
The entire email exchange provided wasn’t disputed by LTT. LTT only said in response, they gave us permission when the time stamps on the emails proved their original claims were false.
Idk his article had all the screenshots to prove the points from what I can see so I would rather take his word than someone who doesn’t mind harassment in their workplace.
Edit: found the article https://gamersnexus.net/gn-extras/our-response-linus-sebastian
juicy new controversy with ltt?
Steve called out LTT for knowing about the Honey marketing scam but not saying anything because it would harm his business (This isn’t speculation. Linus said it publicly.) LTT called for peace with Gamer’s Nexus using the veiled threat that Gamer’s Nexus comments are causing material harm to his business.
Steve responded by posting an old text exchange he had with Linus regarding a LTT Wan show that copied a Gamer’s Nexus video without even mentioning they they were using Gamer’s Nexus script (almost identical in topic order, format and words) for their show. If Steve was a serious business instead of a fan running a channel as a business, that’s where lawyers would have been brought in to sue LTT. Instead Steve only asked for acknowledgment- which Linus never gave.
Could be mistaken, but supposedly Linus knew about the part where Honey was screwing over affiliates (like himself), and claims that was public-enough knowledge in the creator community at the time that he didn’t feel compelled to say more, not the part where Honey was screwing over customers, too. Also, didn’t he credit Steve via a pinned comment to that video?
In the pinned comment he basically said “Thanks Steve”, which isn’t helpful as most people wouldn’t know who this Steve person would be
almost identical in topic order, format and words
Apparently, that specific conversation was in Mandarin, and Steve was the only member of the media present who spoke Mandarin. I’m pretty sure that appending a simple “thank you Steve from Gamers Nexus for translating” would’ve been sufficient, especially since Linus wants to look like they’re such good buddies.
The part about honey is a complete misread of the facts. There were posts on the LTT forum about honey scamming creators, and Linus himself said that within the creator community he thought the news got around enough to not warrant a video about it.
So many linux people have a hate boner for the guy because he’s got a prickly personality and makes videos for the unwashed masses, but he still has integrity.
but he still has integrity.
Ok you lost me there. No.
akchually one might lead to the other
You sound like a member of the FSF
That would be having the haunted house on both sides
Um, ackshually its GNU/House
As in it’s lowkey crumbling, but that also allows you to tear through it to see how it’s made and make your own, modeled after it? Well, I’d just recently taken to calling it GNU + House
Luke’s Tech Tips
The Linus from tech tips is such a sleazeball. If I knew him in person I would probably dislike him enough to walk on the opposite side of the street. Too bad he’s associated with Linux via the name.
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Fake news but yeah keep spreading false info
