The Hamas-run Health Ministry in the Gaza Strip says at least 500 people have been killed in an explosion that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike.
Updated: Israel denies involvement in deadly Gaza hospital blast, says explosion caused by Islamic Jihad
And all the UN resolutions condemning them and all the human rights watch groups exposing them and still not an open condemnation from any Western democracy.
Seriously I want to see what Biden will say after this. If he continues to support this regime, it would be a disgrace
“Based on what I’ve seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you,”
Biden says after fully hugging Netanyahu.
So that’s a point for spineless apologist that will always see Israel as a team sport that only his side is the good one.
Reminder that Grandpa already had to walk back (or his PR team did for him since he didn’t actually say anything about it personally other than the lie) about dozens of beheaded Israeli children.
So, don’t expect that condemnation any time soon no matter what Israel does. He clearly won’t ever mind.
This shouldn’t be a controversial take either. Even WITHIN Israel, the majority of Israeli’s want Netanyahu and his administration gone. There were massive protests over months over the years of corruption. There are criminal charges filed against him and his family. Right now after the attacks, there are widespread calls for his resignation and an investigation into why the response to the initial attacks were so bad.
Given all that, it doesn’t make sense for any world leader to continue to support his administration. Especially if countries are meant to be allies of the Israeli people.
Idk, hes at least going to Israel and has two carrier groups next door. Geopolitics is always a game of “pin the tail on the utter bastard” (Historical example: Belgium still has chocolate cookies in the shape of hands! Thanks, leo).
It’s a stunningly unexpected move that biden has even done this much towards israel, and it seems like a pretty clear overture.
oh and yeah, what do you want him to do here? US boots on the ground in the middle of yet another proxy war is the most direct solution though I understand why he’s hesitant to play that card against an actively genocidal religious dictatorship that has nuclear weapons
I hate that I’m defending biden but come on man you know it’s more complicated than your take implies.
If there wasn’t an extremely consequential election next year that MIGHT conceivably happen, if Biden decided he wasn’t running for reelection that would be more in the cards. But there’s no way he does something that volatile, shit I don’t know if any candidate would, even if it is the correct move and/or the right thing to do it’s political dynamite. Not weighing in one way or the other, that’s a huge decision that would have huge ripple effects. It could straight start WW3(if we aren’t already in it), hand Trump the election, kick off a Civil War 2 BEFORE the election. I’m all for stopping the genocide Israel is committing, and even taking extreme measure, but I cannot see that happening during this admin in this moment.
But I was… describing things he’s doing… what? He’s actively doing politically unpopular things right now. Like, as I type this he is doing them, in response to this fucking stupid war.
We don’t know who it was. 500 people are confirmed dead in this incident and countless others are missing, and the best thing you can think to do is come in here and vehemently assign blame?
There are no 500 confirmed people. It’s just a number Hamas thrown out there and everyone is deepthroating it. Parking lot that got burned is not big enough for 500 people to pile on.
To be clear, I’m responding to people who have already assigned blame to Israel for this. If you’re opposed to jumping to conclusions, you should be calling out those top-level comments. Go on.
The 500 number, to my knowledge, is an exaggeration and the source was a Hamas spokesperson. Do you have a source for that number?
The Hamas-run Health Ministry in the Gaza
Strip says at least 500 people have been killed in an explosion that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike
You’re using Hamas as a source. That’s pretty embarrassing.
So was cutting off water and power to the whole area, so was using white phosphorus in populated areas, so was killing unarmed people in their own towns, so was…
Of course the person shilling for the IDF doesnt seem to understand that Palestinians =/= Hamas nor that the wholesale slaughter of innocents is in no way a justifiable response
Oh they understand that perfectly well, the trouble is that they choose not to make that distinction because otherwise the basis for their entire anti-Palestinian worldview collapses
IDK, I’m pretty sure HotDaniel’s worldview would hold firm even in the face of the ontological equivalent of nuclear weapons. At this point I’m kinda just bouncing abstract concepts off them as a way to illustrate the inherent flaws in their worldview to anyone that might be reading it (though lets be real, I’m mostly just a drunk analyst that’s sick of the IDF killing my friends and is taking out my sorta-kinda-impotent rage on someone who couldn’t debate their way out of a damp paper sack given both hands, a map, a fire axe and clearcut verbal instruction on how to debate one’s way out of a damp paper sack using a fire axe, map and both hands)
Quote where I said I am anti-Palestinian. I am anti-Hamas. Always have been and always will be. You have to manufacture statements about me to attack me. You’re defending literal terrorists who would kill you without hesitation.
“Genocide of Palestinian people is justifiable because hamas attacked Israel.”
All those things I mentioned were specifically war crimes against Palestinians, not hamas. You instantly associating those things with hamas shows exactly where your thoughts are at.
I have been and always will be anti-Hamas. And never have I said that Palestinians == Hamas. You have to misquote me to attack me. You’re defending literal terrorists that would kill you without hesitation, who raped parents and brutalized children. Israel has shown great restraint towards the Palestinian people. Does Gaza still exist? Have they leveled it, like any other nation would have after having hundreds of rockets per day shot at them? Of course, Israel is trying to minimize civilian casualties, and for that you will attack them.
I can’t be arsed to dig through your comments and find a specific example so I’ll just go with the equally valid rebuttal: You have implied it, however! The assertion that israel is defending itself against “existential threats” (and clarifying that threat is Hamas) while at the same time arguing that israel is totally justified logically implies that the thousands of civilians being wiped out by israel are equally culpable for Hamas’ crimes, and are a threat to israel.
If the inhabitants of the Warsaw ghetto escaped and murdered German citizens living around the ghetto, would you be pointing out this crime or would you think it more relevant to discuss the crimes of the Nazis in power, still going on? Israel has been doing this for decades. Even just the night after the attack by Hamas, Israeli airstrikes killed over 300 children.
Yes, it would be more relevant to discuss the context of the Nazi oppression. In the case of Israel, they clearly are defending themselves from an existential threat from Hamas. And they have shown great restraint in what they’ve done. You don’t have to like it, but any other nation would have leveled Gaza by now, but Israel has not done that. They’ve stated the target of their war very clearly. They are there to dedtroy Hamas. Undoubtedly, innocents will die. That happens in any war. The quickest path to peace for both sides, is for Hamas to be destroyed. If their is cancer in your body, you kill good cells in order to kill the cancer. It’s sad, but necessary.
That is just one link but when searching there are others.
Nobody wants to be branded as antisemitic and tried in the court of the media. It would be a political stain on their career.
The tragedy is that for many years jews and muslims lived in peace in that region before the formation of the state of Israel, before zionism took hold.
Its heartbreaking to watch. All of the innocent people caught up in this.
I’m so confused who did this, every media outlet in UK is saying it’s Hamas but Lemmy says it’s isreal. How do I ensure I don’t get fed false information, because at least one of my favourite sources is wrong/lying. And that’s heartbreaking
Social media tends to jump on details as fast as they come out, which is not great given the so called “fog of war.”
Remember when Reddit ‘found’ the Boston marathon bomber?
No one is going to sue some random internet commenter for libel, and the random person doesn’t have an institutional reputation at stake if they back a story that turns out to be false later on.
In theory, large media orgs do have to worry about those things, though standards have slipped a lot recently.
So even without intentionally lying, social media isn’t the most reliable place for information. There are exceptions (the lab leak theory was widely embraced online when mainstream press was presenting it as an open and shut case initially, for example). But the odds are generally not in social media’s favor about any early information on a topic, whether things like school shootings (very often there’s reports of multiple gunmen when there’s actually just one) or world events.
Also, technically I don’t think anyone is saying it’s Hamas. It’s being attributed to a different group.
That’s a great comment and mostly true, in general I should apply less weighting to sources of information I find on social media and that includes Lemmy. Although I know the media like to lie they wouldn’t intentionally feed false information at a scandalous level such as this.
Well this oughta change a few hearts and minds. War is hell, but this is a straight up crime.
Yeah they aren’t victims they have been doing shit like this to Palestinian for long time.
And all the UN resolutions condemning them and all the human rights watch groups exposing them and still not an open condemnation from any Western democracy.
Seriously I want to see what Biden will say after this. If he continues to support this regime, it would be a disgrace
And the answer was?
Biden says after fully hugging Netanyahu. So that’s a point for spineless apologist that will always see Israel as a team sport that only his side is the good one.
Reminder that Grandpa already had to walk back (or his PR team did for him since he didn’t actually say anything about it personally other than the lie) about dozens of beheaded Israeli children.
So, don’t expect that condemnation any time soon no matter what Israel does. He clearly won’t ever mind.
This shouldn’t be a controversial take either. Even WITHIN Israel, the majority of Israeli’s want Netanyahu and his administration gone. There were massive protests over months over the years of corruption. There are criminal charges filed against him and his family. Right now after the attacks, there are widespread calls for his resignation and an investigation into why the response to the initial attacks were so bad.
Given all that, it doesn’t make sense for any world leader to continue to support his administration. Especially if countries are meant to be allies of the Israeli people.
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Idk, hes at least going to Israel and has two carrier groups next door. Geopolitics is always a game of “pin the tail on the utter bastard” (Historical example: Belgium still has chocolate cookies in the shape of hands! Thanks, leo).
It’s a stunningly unexpected move that biden has even done this much towards israel, and it seems like a pretty clear overture.
oh and yeah, what do you want him to do here? US boots on the ground in the middle of yet another proxy war is the most direct solution though I understand why he’s hesitant to play that card against an actively genocidal religious dictatorship that has nuclear weapons
I hate that I’m defending biden but come on man you know it’s more complicated than your take implies.
If there wasn’t an extremely consequential election next year that MIGHT conceivably happen, if Biden decided he wasn’t running for reelection that would be more in the cards. But there’s no way he does something that volatile, shit I don’t know if any candidate would, even if it is the correct move and/or the right thing to do it’s political dynamite. Not weighing in one way or the other, that’s a huge decision that would have huge ripple effects. It could straight start WW3(if we aren’t already in it), hand Trump the election, kick off a Civil War 2 BEFORE the election. I’m all for stopping the genocide Israel is committing, and even taking extreme measure, but I cannot see that happening during this admin in this moment.
But I was… describing things he’s doing… what? He’s actively doing politically unpopular things right now. Like, as I type this he is doing them, in response to this fucking stupid war.
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But it was Hamas that blew up the hospital. You know, the literal terrorist organization known for attacking its citizens?
Hamas doesn’t have that type of ammunition if it had this war would be different
We don’t know who it was. 500 people are confirmed dead in this incident and countless others are missing, and the best thing you can think to do is come in here and vehemently assign blame?
There are no 500 confirmed people. It’s just a number Hamas thrown out there and everyone is deepthroating it. Parking lot that got burned is not big enough for 500 people to pile on.
To be clear, I’m responding to people who have already assigned blame to Israel for this. If you’re opposed to jumping to conclusions, you should be calling out those top-level comments. Go on.
The 500 number, to my knowledge, is an exaggeration and the source was a Hamas spokesperson. Do you have a source for that number?
You really just have one single play in your playbook, don’t you? Please, for fucks sake, just stop. You’re embarrassing yourself.
From the article:
The Hamas-run Health Ministry in the Gaza Strip says at least 500 people have been killed in an explosion that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike
You’re using Hamas as a source. That’s pretty embarrassing.
It’s not hamas run, that just iserali media manager told them to say, it’s literally a Christian hospital
So was cutting off water and power to the whole area, so was using white phosphorus in populated areas, so was killing unarmed people in their own towns, so was…
So was invading Israel, raping and killing its parents, brutalizing it’s children, and uploading it all to Facebook. Oh and the hostages.
Of course the person shilling for the IDF doesnt seem to understand that Palestinians =/= Hamas nor that the wholesale slaughter of innocents is in no way a justifiable response
Oh they understand that perfectly well, the trouble is that they choose not to make that distinction because otherwise the basis for their entire anti-Palestinian worldview collapses
IDK, I’m pretty sure HotDaniel’s worldview would hold firm even in the face of the ontological equivalent of nuclear weapons. At this point I’m kinda just bouncing abstract concepts off them as a way to illustrate the inherent flaws in their worldview to anyone that might be reading it (though lets be real, I’m mostly just a drunk analyst that’s sick of the IDF killing my friends and is taking out my sorta-kinda-impotent rage on someone who couldn’t debate their way out of a damp paper sack given both hands, a map, a fire axe and clearcut verbal instruction on how to debate one’s way out of a damp paper sack using a fire axe, map and both hands)
Quote where I said I am anti-Palestinian. I am anti-Hamas. Always have been and always will be. You have to manufacture statements about me to attack me. You’re defending literal terrorists who would kill you without hesitation.
You’re arguing in bad faith here so I’m going to move on from this discussion. Wishing you the best.
You literally made up that I’m anti-Palestinian. You’re as bad-faith as they come. So, bye.
Let me spell out your own argument.
“Genocide of Palestinian people is justifiable because hamas attacked Israel.”
All those things I mentioned were specifically war crimes against Palestinians, not hamas. You instantly associating those things with hamas shows exactly where your thoughts are at.
I have been and always will be anti-Hamas. And never have I said that Palestinians == Hamas. You have to misquote me to attack me. You’re defending literal terrorists that would kill you without hesitation, who raped parents and brutalized children. Israel has shown great restraint towards the Palestinian people. Does Gaza still exist? Have they leveled it, like any other nation would have after having hundreds of rockets per day shot at them? Of course, Israel is trying to minimize civilian casualties, and for that you will attack them.
I can’t be arsed to dig through your comments and find a specific example so I’ll just go with the equally valid rebuttal: You have implied it, however! The assertion that israel is defending itself against “existential threats” (and clarifying that threat is Hamas) while at the same time arguing that israel is totally justified logically implies that the thousands of civilians being wiped out by israel are equally culpable for Hamas’ crimes, and are a threat to israel.
If the inhabitants of the Warsaw ghetto escaped and murdered German citizens living around the ghetto, would you be pointing out this crime or would you think it more relevant to discuss the crimes of the Nazis in power, still going on? Israel has been doing this for decades. Even just the night after the attack by Hamas, Israeli airstrikes killed over 300 children.
Yes, it would be more relevant to discuss the context of the Nazi oppression. In the case of Israel, they clearly are defending themselves from an existential threat from Hamas. And they have shown great restraint in what they’ve done. You don’t have to like it, but any other nation would have leveled Gaza by now, but Israel has not done that. They’ve stated the target of their war very clearly. They are there to dedtroy Hamas. Undoubtedly, innocents will die. That happens in any war. The quickest path to peace for both sides, is for Hamas to be destroyed. If their is cancer in your body, you kill good cells in order to kill the cancer. It’s sad, but necessary.
Doubt it. There is a lot of Israeli money influencing US politics.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/15/pro-israel-donors-spent-over-22m-on-lobbying-and-contributions-in-2018
That is just one link but when searching there are others.
Nobody wants to be branded as antisemitic and tried in the court of the media. It would be a political stain on their career.
The tragedy is that for many years jews and muslims lived in peace in that region before the formation of the state of Israel, before zionism took hold.
Its heartbreaking to watch. All of the innocent people caught up in this.
I’m so confused who did this, every media outlet in UK is saying it’s Hamas but Lemmy says it’s isreal. How do I ensure I don’t get fed false information, because at least one of my favourite sources is wrong/lying. And that’s heartbreaking
It’s not necessarily lying.
Social media tends to jump on details as fast as they come out, which is not great given the so called “fog of war.”
Remember when Reddit ‘found’ the Boston marathon bomber?
No one is going to sue some random internet commenter for libel, and the random person doesn’t have an institutional reputation at stake if they back a story that turns out to be false later on.
In theory, large media orgs do have to worry about those things, though standards have slipped a lot recently.
So even without intentionally lying, social media isn’t the most reliable place for information. There are exceptions (the lab leak theory was widely embraced online when mainstream press was presenting it as an open and shut case initially, for example). But the odds are generally not in social media’s favor about any early information on a topic, whether things like school shootings (very often there’s reports of multiple gunmen when there’s actually just one) or world events.
Also, technically I don’t think anyone is saying it’s Hamas. It’s being attributed to a different group.
That’s a great comment and mostly true, in general I should apply less weighting to sources of information I find on social media and that includes Lemmy. Although I know the media like to lie they wouldn’t intentionally feed false information at a scandalous level such as this.
I appreciate the answer friend