This is a catastrophically bad take on what they said. Condemnation of Israeli war crimes does not equal antisemitism or an endorsement of Hamas. You can abhor Hamas and Israeli war crimes at the same time, the two are not mutually exclusive.

But I suspect you already knew that.

Bibbi outright said Hamas was good for Israel. It’s hilarious you’re calling people sheep when you buy every single piece of propaganda coming from Israel. History matters, context matters. Don’t have an open air concentration camp outside “your city” and your neighbors would like you better. Stop excusing war crimes cause the perpetrators are on your side.

Seems like you don’t know that Netanyahu funded Hamas on multiple occasions

Sure, if you want to do it the easy way, but then we don’t get to see all the cool explosions.

This is exactly out of Israel’s playbook as well though, they attacked the very same hospital just within the week. “Restraint” towards Gaza? Last I heard there were over 6000 strikes launched by Israel, leveling whole villages, killing entire families. Over 2000 people killed inside Palestine after the first night of retaliation by Israel, striking numerous apartment blocks, hospitals and schools. I doubt anything will change your mind about the righteousness of Israel but I just want to point this out in case anyone thinks you have a good point.

I am perfectly fine blaming Hamas

Obviously. I’m perfectly fine blaming whoever is responsible, that being Israel or Hamas.

You aren’t. Prove me wrong.

Ugh, what restraint are you talking about? By stopping the electricity, water and food to Gaza, or by forcefully displacing hundreds of thousands or by flattening a whole residential neighbourhood.

I am not defending Hamas, in a perfect world they wouldn’t exist and I would be happy if they are gone forever, but the way Israel is treating Palestinians both in Gaza and in the West bank isn’t exactly a recipe for long lasting peace.

You can’t expect that people would just tolerate whatever shit you give them and there won’t be dissent voices, and radicalization. And don’t start that this is only happening on the Palestinian side, because a lot of Palestinians were simply killed by Israeli settlers.

Both nations are victims of their own propaganda, and it is religion and politics that divide us as humanity. For me everyone deserves a decent life, no matter the skin colour, religious belief or nation, full stop.

It doesn’t matter what Hamas or Palestine does. If they kill everyone in Israel people would cheer for them and perhaps in a sidenote claim “Sucks for the civilians, but yay Palestine!”.

I wonder if they still cheer when the area is under Palestinian control with everything that comes with it. Goodbye LGBTQ and women’s rights.

Is that 19:59 minutes in or at the time 19:59?

Edit: I am guessing at the time of the Gaza City video since there is a barrage of missions being fired.

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Apparently this guy thinks the missile was launched from inside the hospital or something.

The whistle tells you the direction the rocket came from relative to the position of the camera. We know the rocket had to pass over the camera position before striking the hospital, and from that you can extrapolate where it came from.

None of the videos purporting to show a misfired rocket align with the one verified video showing the strike. The video posted by idf of what they claim is the rocket barrage responsible for hitting the hospital was shown to have been taken after the hospital strike (and has since been removed from their post).

There is a lot of finger pointing and blame going on right now. I’m less inclined to believe the side misrepresenting evidence, but neither side can be trusted on their word alone. This means we need evidence, which is in short supply at the moment.

Al Jazeera’s shown time (Mecca) and Gaza share the same time zone at this time of year. However, I maybe got the time of the attack wrong, it’s unclear.

Time zones would be in full hour differences, not a little over half an hour.

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Yes. You need to Google and see just how big of a surface 500 people takes and how densely they would have to be for this explosion to kill them.

Thanks for that absolutely irrelevant fact. Civilians die in war. One side of this war is a democratic government, the other is a literal terrorist organization. Are you defending terrorists today? Is that what you woke up to do on the internet?

The timestamp for the misfire panel is a half hour prior to the hospital being hit.

You’re right, I was hasty. I’ll reserve my judgement for when there’s better information out there. Hamas is absolutely not to be trusted either.

Who? The Israeli government? I don’t believe anything they or hamas say on face value.

Fuck Hamas, and fuck the Israeli government. Let’s wait for more reporting to verify who killed 500 people in a hospital (fuck whoever did that). But in the meantime maybe don’t be claiming anti semitism when people ask for genocide to stop?

OH NO!?! CONDEMNATION?!? THE HORROR!!

This rhetoric… I’ve seen it before. I can’t believe my eyes.

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Good that you studied the Holocaust. Because this is how Nazis justified their genocide and it’s also how Hamas and similar groups justify their violence:

If there is cancer in the body, you kill good cells to kill the cancer.

Idk, hes at least going to Israel and has two carrier groups next door. Geopolitics is always a game of “pin the tail on the utter bastard” (Historical example: Belgium still has chocolate cookies in the shape of hands! Thanks, leo).

It’s a stunningly unexpected move that biden has even done this much towards israel, and it seems like a pretty clear overture.

oh and yeah, what do you want him to do here? US boots on the ground in the middle of yet another proxy war is the most direct solution though I understand why he’s hesitant to play that card against an actively genocidal religious dictatorship that has nuclear weapons

I hate that I’m defending biden but come on man you know it’s more complicated than your take implies.

There are no 500 confirmed people. It’s just a number Hamas thrown out there and everyone is deepthroating it. Parking lot that got burned is not big enough for 500 people to pile on.

To be clear, I’m responding to people who have already assigned blame to Israel for this. If you’re opposed to jumping to conclusions, you should be calling out those top-level comments. Go on.

The 500 number, to my knowledge, is an exaggeration and the source was a Hamas spokesperson. Do you have a source for that number?

Oh they understand that perfectly well, the trouble is that they choose not to make that distinction because otherwise the basis for their entire anti-Palestinian worldview collapses

I have been and always will be anti-Hamas. And never have I said that Palestinians == Hamas. You have to misquote me to attack me. You’re defending literal terrorists that would kill you without hesitation, who raped parents and brutalized children. Israel has shown great restraint towards the Palestinian people. Does Gaza still exist? Have they leveled it, like any other nation would have after having hundreds of rockets per day shot at them? Of course, Israel is trying to minimize civilian casualties, and for that you will attack them.

Yes, it would be more relevant to discuss the context of the Nazi oppression. In the case of Israel, they clearly are defending themselves from an existential threat from Hamas. And they have shown great restraint in what they’ve done. You don’t have to like it, but any other nation would have leveled Gaza by now, but Israel has not done that. They’ve stated the target of their war very clearly. They are there to dedtroy Hamas. Undoubtedly, innocents will die. That happens in any war. The quickest path to peace for both sides, is for Hamas to be destroyed. If their is cancer in your body, you kill good cells in order to kill the cancer. It’s sad, but necessary.