• meyotch@slrpnk.net
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    Strawberry seeds are designed by a malevolent god to stick perfectly in human front teeth.

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    Achenes are not nuts.

    (1) Achene. A small hard indehiscent fruit. The term is strictly only applied to those formed from one carpel, but is sometimes used for those formed from two carpels (e.g. the fruit of the Compositae). The latter is better termed a cypsela.

    (2) Nut. This is similar to an achene, but is typically formed from two or three carpels (e.g. dock fruit).

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/achene

    i. Achene - A one-seeded, dry, indehiscent fruit; the one seed is attached to the fruit wall at a single point.

    ii. Nut - A dry, indehiscent, one seeded fruit similar to an achene but with the wall greatly thickened and hardened.

    https://courses.botany.wisc.edu/botany_400/Lab/LabWK03Fruitkey.html

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      The term is strictly only applied to those formed from one carpel, but is sometimes used for those formed from two carpels

      It is strictly only applied to ones with one carpel, but is used anyway to refer to ones with two carpels? That’s not confusing at all

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    Why is microsoft from Germany writing in English? Why don’t they just post it on their main Account which actually has a primarely English-speaking audience?

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      The original post (not shown in the screenshot) is from PBS, that’s why it says “Author” by their name. If it was in English (likely) it makes sense to answer in English as well.

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        Ok, the original post by PBS is just cropped out, that makes sense, thanks for the explanation

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    To me arguing over which fruit belongs in which category is a prime example of people arguing over shadows in Plato’s cave. Not that it’s a waste of time or anything but sometimes people act like tomatoes won’t grow if you call them vegetables. Like at the end of the day it’s just humans developing a system to make sense of nature rather than discovering an inherent, pre-existing system.

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      Like at the end of the day it’s just humans developing a system to make sense of nature

      The core of the matter is that we have multiple, mutually incompatible schemes sharing in part the same terminology. Biology is not cooking, both fields care about vastly different things thus the categorisation scheme is different, that’s the end of it. Culinarily, tomatoes have too much umami to be fruit. Botanically peppermint is an aromatic, I recommend you not put any into your soffritto.


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      Tomato is also dominated by oxalic acid, not malic, citric, (typical fruit acids) or acetic (fermented/overripe). Oxalic acid is in parsley, chives, spinach, beans, lettuce, that kind of stuff. “It’s sour” isn’t sufficient to describe a taste profile, our tongues may not tell them apart but our noses definitely do.

      I think it should be possible to break the culinary categorisation down to chemistry. That doesn’t tell you anything about the “why” but it’s definitely not random and definitely not all in our heads.

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        Oh, this is actually a perfect example of the arbitreity of mapping systems!

        A looong time ago on reddit, I got into an argument with someone who was doing that thing where you confuse the map for the object itself. We were mostly talking about the chemistry table. But anyway, he just could not see how a change in motivation, that is what the map designer finds useful, could change how the map is arranged.

        I mean, I don’t think this would convince him: he would just say the culinary version isn’t real. But still, I really like it.

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        I think it should be possible to break the culinary categorisation down to chemistry. That doesn’t tell you anything about the “why” but it’s definitely not random and definitely not all in our heads.

        I agree with what you mean in kind of a broad-strokes way, but as individuals our subjective experiences of flavors can vary pretty wildly. There’s genetics, neurology, age, and habit/experience that influence our taste in terms of actually sensing the chemicals. Then there’s what we see, taste, and smell just prior or during tasting that severely impact our interpretation of that chemical sense.

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          I haven’t but that sounds like a pie not a cake. A meal, not a dessert.

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            Well, not all pies are desserts for sure, but a tomato pie is, unless you deviate from the usual recipes.

            Besides, you didn’t say that a dessert has to be a cake.

            There’s also tomato jams, compote, and you can do a tomato cake mind you, a tomato cake is really more like banana bread, where it’s a flavoring more than the star of the show.

            Point is that tomatoes can definitely serve in the same role as “fruit”, just like some things that are sweeter can be used in savory dishes.

            It’s about the preparation, not the ingredient. I mean, look at bacon jam. Not a dessert, but it’s a savory and sweet spread that’s used in the same was as fruit based jams. Onion jam is in the same range (and, as a side note, there’s also onion and tomato pie which is more of a savory dish than a dessert, despite being fairly sweet anyway).

            From a culinary standpoint, there are few ingredients that are fully excluded from dessert territory by virtue of having strong savory taste. There’s also not many excluded from entrees purely because they’re sweet. It’s all a wonderful spectrum of sweet and savory

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        “Botanically” “culinary” “terminology” “biology” and then you say umami seriously. Which is entirely made up.

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      I totally agree. It is completely nonsense to say. In other languages it is different. I just know some Spanish, but they don’t have a word for berries or nuts, it is all just fruit. (Forrest fruit for berries or dried fruit for nuts) but they don’t call potatoes vegetables, but “tuberculo”. Interesting difference, which i guess is because they have another climate and other plants.

      We do just call it a vegetable in my language.

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        Bayas y nueces… Tubérculo is closer to the botanical definition because it is a tuber (storage organ) and not a fruit (like most vegetables). And I would think that tubérculo could be any tuber vegetable, not just papas/patatas. Things like ñame or otoe are called tubérculo también.

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          Thanks for the clarification. I was under the impression that nuez would only refer to walnut. And that an almond would not be a nuez.

          Is it a country specific thing because I usually see frutos del bosque in Spain?

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            I guess things can have multiple names, too. In German you would also say Waldfrüchte (forest fruits) to mixed berries, but they are still Beeren (berries) as well. If you search for “postre de bayas” or “pastel de bayas” many recipes pop up. And sure, Spanish is obviously a diverse language with the divide between Spanish from Spain and from Latin America.

            Disclaimer: I’m part of the scientific bubble so that’s why I may here more terms that are botanical in Spanish ;)

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                Yeah, seems like you’re right about kurz. It’s mostly just walnuts although you can find recipes where they say nueces and use pecans. Almendras seem to be classified as a separate thing from nuts, interesting. Wasn’t aware of that before! I’d just use the term “nuez” like I would in German maybe that’s why I never noticed :D

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      Technically, the pre-existing system could be evolutionary biology. I’m just saying that in some cases, a little bit of pedantry is enjoyable. It’s an acquired taste, maybe

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    I’ve heard every combination of “[food] is actually [plant part]” so any time anyone says this type of sentence, I just roll my eyes.

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      Cabbages are actually tree trunks

      Raspberries are actually tubers

      Wheat is actually a berry

      And oranges are actually an eldritch, ante-dimensional horror perpetrated by intelligent, unseen beings

      Also acorns are the progenitors of oranges.

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        Potatoes

        are actually an eldritch, ante-dimensional horror perpetrated by intelligent, unseen beings

        too.

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    So what this nerd is saying is that we can milk a strawberry??

    Before the tech gets there, let’s commission some “art” on that subject?

    (For real, the seeds being nuts is a stretch)

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        Ofc not, don’t be silly.

        Nuts have nipples (where do you think almond milk comes from? Kids today have prob never seen an almond on a farm & think almond milk grows in the stores!).

        And if the seeds on the strawberries really are “nuts”, then we should be able to milk them.
        I see no flaw in my logic.

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            Well, unfortunately I’m no artist & I’m against AI (the system, not the tech as such), so no pics.

            But yeah, definitely, can you imagine the number of nips on a single strawberry? And the satisfaction of each nut? The dripping milk?

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          The real problem these days is with intensive almond farming. Almond tastes better from free range almonds, with space to graze in peace and calm between the bushes.

          Have you heard of “bitter almonds”? Turns up in mystery novels. It’s what you get from caged almonds raised on steroids.

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            I love it when activists save caged almonds & how their little faces light up when, for the first time in their nutty lives, they arent sucked on by a relentless machine.

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    Is this why strawberries are common allergens? Like so much more common than other fruits?