• blahsay@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    If you actually gave two shits about the Palestinians you’d be calling for Hamas to surrender, release the hostages so this war can end.

    Israel won’t abandon their hostages which is obviously why Hamas took them to force this war.

    No point arguing with a propagandist like yourself though…have you noticed that public opinion is shifting against Hamas? Better get even more hysterical mate! 😂

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      11 months ago

      Israel doesn’t care about their citizens, they’re carpet bombing Gaza and flooding tunnels they know the hostages are in. They had the option to just do a hostage exchange since day one. This is some mixture of annexation and Netanyahu trying to hold on to power.

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        11 months ago

        In what universe do you live? Hamas pulled out of the continuing the hostage exchange. Israel wanted women returned but Hamas wouldn’t agree…let’s be honest it’s because all the rape and torture would make their propaganda war tricky

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          11 months ago

          Hamas’s cited reason was that Israel was demanding female soldiers, while the terms of the “pause” dictated the exchange of civilians. It seemed like Israel simply wanted an excuse to continue bombing.

          let’s be honest it’s because all the rape and torture would make their propaganda war tricky

          Let’s be honest about this having no substantiation at present and being based on Israeli and U.S. State Dept propaganda. Honestly it’s disgusting how quickly people will resort to insinuations like this.

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            11 months ago

            I know! All those raped (verified by Hamas body cam footage) on Oct 7 and people start to think Hamas are going to keep raping the hostages when they get them back to gaza. What a crazy leap right?!

            At what point will you rejoin reality bud?

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              11 months ago

              Is it verified by that? Can you provide the footage? Pretty sure this is incorrect.

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        11 months ago

        Hamas cares even less for the lives of Gaza civilians. They cowardly hide in their tunnels, take humanitarian supplies by force from the population and shoot at Gazans when they try to escape from their human shield purpose.

        All of these crimes have been documented and you can find them online. Hamas is a dictatorship jihadistic organization who controls the population by fear

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          11 months ago

          What about Gazans? Do you believe they deserve to have 20 Oct 7th done to them every single night?

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            No, they don’t deserve it. If you were Israel, and 1200 of your people would have been murdered, raped and 400 were taken hostages, what would you do differently?

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              11 months ago
              1. Not carpet bomb
              2. Not detaining Palestinians in undisclosed locations
              3. Not starving the population
              4. Not bombing hospitals, mosques, and the few fucking churches there.
              5. Negotiate peace with Palestinians and restore their full rights
              6. A one state solution where everyone gets to vote, as they always should have been allowed to

              What would you do “differently” since those Gazans don’t deserve to die in a crowded hospital after a failing amputation attempt because there are no meds and Israel is shelling outside?

              Btw I just want to say that 17 thousand of my “people” have already been killed by Israel since I’m Palestinian.

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                As a Palestinian, you don’t have any criticism of Hamas ? Oct 7th was just an “act of resistance” according to your view?

                Do you agree with Hamas ? Why one state solution and not two states?

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                  Hmmm seems like you pull this shit out of your ass, I’m very critical of Hamas.

                  A one state solution because it was always a single land, where all Palestinans and Jews can be equal. What part of that bothers you?

                  PS: notice how you just brushed aside the suffering of all Palestinians to come and talk about Hamas. Using Hamas as an excuse for genocide is no better than an excuse for the holocaust or for apartheid. It’s quite disgusting how easily you can just forget the deaths of many innocent people or think that October 7th somehow justifies a second Nakba and a second holocaust.

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                  11 months ago

                  This seems to be a typical Hasbara account (the Israeli equivalent to Putin trolls).

                  They keep saying Gaza is not an open air prison. But would they agree to live there for a year like an average civilian?

                  Would they support the right of Palestine to exist? Would they support the Palestinian right to self determination as people? Do they think Palestinians should have the right to live in their homes?

                  The answer to all of these questions would be a lot of Blabla leading to an eventual no for an answer. Therefore it makes little sense to interact with these accounts, except for the purpose of calling out their BS

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                    11 months ago

                    Personally, I definitely support the right of Palestinians to exist. They should have their own state and live peacefully side by side to Israel. Unfortunately both Israelis and Palestinians are plagued by horrible leadership that prevent any of this from happening

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                  11 months ago

                  Anyway also please answer my question, what would you have done differently to committing a genocide and ethnic cleansing? 😊😊😊😊

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                    11 months ago

                    Given the chance, I would immediately start negotiations for two states solution but that will never happen in the current climate.

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                    11 months ago

                    I do not brush aside the suffering of Palestinians. Both populations are screwed over by bad leadership.

                    However, Hamas started this one by murdering and kidnapping women and children and doing horrendous things. Israel has the right to retaliate. They should do so with the least amount of casualties.

                    Unfortunately, in the long run, this gets no one closer to nowhere.

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      11 months ago

      Says you under a headline that read s “Gazan society On brick of full blow collapse”.

      It’s collapsing because of Israeli indiscriminate bombing yet you make no demands on the genocidal freaks pulling the trigger.

      Shame on you

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      11 months ago

      Hamas already did release the hostages, the ones the IDF haven’t killed in airstrikes at least

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        11 months ago

        Airstrikes don’t affect underground tunnels where Hamas hides with all the humanitarian supplies and fuel along with the precious hostages while the less privileged Gazans suffer above

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          11 months ago

          damn, you really believe that, don’t you?like the massive supply bunkers below the hospital?, the hospital that they had laid siege to for days before storming it, meaning that Hamas should have not been able to get anything out, and the greatest horror was a few guns, a diaper, and a bomb shelter that Israel put in when they built the building, full of jack shit.

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            11 months ago

            Every Palestinian in Gaza knows they are using hospitals, mosques, schools to conduct their military operation from there. Have you seen them wearing uniforms in their videos?

            This is no secret, it’s playbook assymetric warfare tactic I honestly don’t understand the denial about it. Do you expect them to have some military base with a helicopter landing so Israel can bomb it in a second?

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              Damn, imagine wounded combatants being treated at hospitals, of course you happen to forget that Hamas doesn’t even have a uniform, nor that it’s still a war crime to attack hospitals.

              The justification of Israel to bomb hospitals always shows the building its self full of tunnels and storing red exploding barrels. because anything less than that is a war crime…

              the only person in denial about anything here is you and the Geneva convention.

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                They most definitely have uniforms, they just don’t use them when fighting Israel as they are embedded inside civilians. And they most definitely hide and attack from schools, mosques and hospitals.

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                  11 months ago
                  • “But how will we justify all this killing and murder?”

                  • "Ahhh, we’ll just invent “proximity bombing” and say that people in their homes and on the street are “human shields”, even though they are just living their lives normally, and every time we bomb a hospital, we can just say “KHAMAS was embedded within the population… that way whenever 100 Palestinian civilians die by “accident”, we can fall back on that excuse”.

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                  11 months ago

                  the closest thing Hamas has to a uniform is something black and MAYBE a headband that sometimes is green.

                  turns out the Goth club in town is actually a uniformed Hamas HQ.

                  but in all reality, there hasn’t been a single insurgency in history that has had a uniform, and there never will be.

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          11 months ago

          It’s sad seeing you make such a reference because clearly you didn’t even understand anything from that show.