Impressive, I guess, but how many of those 2 million posts have a single comment? If 90% of these are just bots reposting things from Reddit with no further engagement…
The content will bring in users. I try to comment on interesting topics to help drive engagement.
This is my thoughts as well. I’ve noticed that once one or two people express interest in a post, it tends to get much more traffic
I used to lurk like crazy on reddit. I had a nearly 12 year old account that mainly had a few comments here and there months apart, and only a few posts but ever since moving to Lemmy I’ve found myself actually posting relatively frequently to help build some of the smaller communities I’m in that have also migrated.
Keep it up. I wish people would bring themself to comment so they count as active users.
I’m exactly the same. I feel like the opportunity to have a productive conversation on Lemmy is a lot higher. There are fewer of us right now but we are the motivated minority kicking Reddit to the curb for its terrible actions and we want to see Lemmy thrive.
I still check Reddit every couple days on my laptop. I don’t think they maintained a majority of their users. Engagement is way down. Most of the posts on my front page are barely hitting 2000 updoots, compared to well over 10,000 prior to July 1
(post comment edit - if you put things inside < > as your entire post, Lemmy will eat it. Cool>
Only if the content is organic. Look at !photoshopbattles@lemmy.world . Full of bot posts from reddit with 0 comments. Even if one of them gets a comment, it would get drowned out by the subsequent bot posts. Blindly filling a community with bot posts would eventually make people unsub from it.
I’m sure those bots are well intended, but I would rather not see bots just copying posts from reddit blindly. When you sort all by new, it’s just a swamp of bot posts.
Edit: So I checked to verify my claim and most are from @bot@lemmit.online iirc and you can just block that account to stop seeing all the automated posts from reddit
It depends on the content.
Some of content really depends on OP being in the comments, like AmITheAsshole. Just reposting doesn’t give the kind of interaction that the original post would have.
Ongoing discussion—i.e., comments replying to other comments, not just posts—drives engagement as much as content. If the post-to-comment ratio is too high, active commenters are less likely to encounter each other in the sea of automated posts.
You’re doing it right. That’s exactly how to build momentum! 💪
Hey! Some of those posts with no comments are me posting pictures of cute bugs that I took! I’m not a bot, I’m just not very interesting.
Hah, that sounds like me! I started a few communities in places where I knew I could supply some OC, and so far its been mostly just me posting my stuff, but I’m stoked whenever I get comments!
I just subbed to your nature patterns community! I love the idea! I will keep an eye out and hope I can contribute some neat things soon!
And since I notice you are a gardener, you may be interested in my !beebutts@lemmy.world community. It’s about bees… and their butts… I’ve also got !awwnverts@lemmy.world for the front side of the bees, and all of their adorable invertebrate friends.
I’m subscribed to both! And I’ve tossed a couple butts your way already -
Ah! So you have! Thank you so much! (Nice butts!)
That was my initial thought. The bots are working overtime.
No doubt, it’s a chicken or egg problem.
Well the same page lists comments per day for the same period as 11,083,555. A ratio of 5.27 comments per post seems fine.
Yeah, a ratio means nothing if the bulk of the comments are only on a small portion of the posts. If 90% of the posts have 0 comments and the other 10% have 52.7 comments per post, that’s worth knowing.
And when comments are measured, you can say ‘but it’s just a small group making lots of comments’.
And when users are measured, you can say ‘but they’re just lurkers’.
Etc, etc. You can always naysay everything. This is impressive growth.
The problem is that without an effective way to ID bot content then stats like this could be covering up the real trends in human users, particularly in any stat that purports to measure all lemmy instances since we already know there are instances out there filled with thousands of bot users
“Nayyyyyy.”
“Oh boy the line went up that must mean I’m on the winning team!”
Are you saying you need outside support for your decisions?
What Lemmy needs now more than anything is commenters. If the site is to succeed, it needs robust comment sections.
It does need that, but it also needs dedicated posters for small niche communities that keep posting into the void so that when someone eventually stumbles over they won’t go “aw it’s dead here, I guess Lemmy isn’t for me” but will actually find some content to engage with instead.
Totally agree. Each sub top mod should submit one good post per day at a minimum.
Several of the niche subs I’m on on Reddit didn’t even get one post a day, lol. I guess there’s niche and niche
Engage this! 🤜
Assimilate this! 🔫
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Unfortunately it seems that MAUs are steadily declining as well.
All I’m missing is the more niche communities to grow. It’s good to see lots of memes and engagement but a man needs more.
Be the more you want to see
It’s kind of hard to have thriving discussions on niche topics as one person, unfortunately.
Not just communities, but niche instances. Having everyone on just a few instances isn’t good.
How do you create communities?
Man, I really hope more traffic starts heading into some of the more niche communities because getting a new thread every day or there and getting 1 or 2 replies - if that - is not how you sustain a site.
Are there really that few people into cars or engineering or DIY stuff on Lemmy?! Where the fuck are my fellow car and tinkering nerds at? And no one does projects around the house? So few posts in some of the home owner communities as well.
We really need more bread-stapled-to-trees content. That shit held Reddit up
What are we waiting for guys? Get your beads and let’s head outside!
I think part of the problem is finding communities.
I search for things, but they all look so small I assume that can’t be the proper one and end up not joining it. I’m not convinced I’m seeing the full list of what’s out there.
So much this! Can there really be only a dozen or so posts in a community as wide as cars? Like seriously? I must have some setting messed up.
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This has been super helpful for finding communities outside of my instance lemm.ee, as many of them may not be discoverable without 1st searching for the exact community link
That’s a really useful site.
I’m not sure why it’s showing such a small number when I search for it using my instance. e.g. searching for “games” shows !games@lemmy.world has 83 subscribers, while your link shows 19,400. Is it just showing the number of subscribers from my instance on there, or some number when it was first found by my instance or what?
Is it just showing the number of subscribers from my instance on there
Yes, that’s exactly it. It’s an unfortunate product of how the backend works right now, as far as I understand it. I don’t think there is a way to see the total sum of subscribers to a community from all instances right now. I think the issue has been raised on GitHub, though.
Okay. I’m going to be stupid and ask the basic question
I’m on lemm.ee and my feed is interesting enough so if I fuck with it I could make it worse.
But let’s say I want to see more of https://lemmy.ml/c/asklemmy (or something smaller) on my feed how do I do that?
I was going to wait for an app and go from there. But I’m not sure which one has swam to the top of most recommended (I used rif on Reddit and enjoyed that)
Edit: I’m going to try sync. I’ll work it out from that
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !asklemmy@lemmy.ml
The best way right now is to use a heavily curated Subscribed feed. At some point in the future some kind of “Multireddit”-like functionality will probably be added, either through Lemmy itself or a 3rd-party app, which will make the frontpage experience better, but for now the best way is to use an app with good content filtering for the All page and combine it with a carefully built Subscribed page.
Just subscribe to it and it will show up in your “subscribed” feed. Should be similar on sync.
True, I think the “lemmy is so confusing to join” concerns are overblown (just make an account?), but admittedly the community finding part is… not intuitive. People really aren’t seeing everything that’s out there through the standard search if their instance isn’t federated with the instance where the target community is hosted, or no one on their instance has searched for that community before. Having to go offsite for tools to find communities is a poor experience.
I’ll message my dude Mark to join up, mother fucker loves anything mechanical.
Looking forward to having Mark on here
I also choose that guy’s Mark
Where tf is Mark?!?!
I am excited for Mark’s presence!
Only Mark can save us now.
Is Mark single?
No response dude, he’s stonewallin us. We might have to get creative.
Most of us are probably computer nerds right now… And I think a lot of people are afraid of posting their own post. It’s safer to just comment. But Lemmy is a very friendly community, so I think maybe people need to adjust from reddit a bit.
If you are reading this and haven’t made a post, make one now. :) Even if it’s just about asking why nobody posts in a specific community. Usually gets replies.
I have. And it did indeed get replies. Great! Then everything went dead again. Not so great.
Think we have to be the change we want to see. I try to post some interesting link every day but it’s harder maybe to find good car or tinker articles.
I am afraid of posting because everyone is friendly and I post hostile stuff. Willtry to post more tho.
There are dozens of us!
Please give the names of the communities. I’m not a home owner, but I love cars, DIY and tinkering :)
Yeeaah, where are these car communities? I’d post in them!
Are you me?
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Yeah, this is my experience with Lemmy so far: it has replaced the “all” experience for me, but all my hobby / interests subs are completely dead.
That’s ok though, because that’s how Reddit started too. They didn’t add subreddits from the start. So as long as it is providing an /all experience then I don’t see why it shouldn’t grow from there.
I think the biggest problem with bootstrapping niche communities is that people interested in those topics have to search for and find the communities. There are a few resources for finding new communities such as https://lemmyverse.net/communities and the Reddit migration community, but it takes some effort.
Yes and it doesn’t help that communities change servers or something and apparently if you don’t change the settings you lose them from your subscribed list.
Seems like a rather shortsighted way of doing things if you ask me.
Also someone posted that the same name can be used on multiple instances, so like do you have to subscribe to all of them? Why have so many? Why would that be allowed? Makes little sense.
That’s just a consequence of decentralization. That’s why all names are qualified by the instance name as well. It’s not perfect, but we’ll, on Reddit if someone picked the sub name you wanted then you’re sol and have to choose a different name, so there’s pros and cons to each. Simply subscribe to the most active version of the community you’re interested in and network effects will pick the winner.
I found this community finder a few days ago, and its really helped me find what I’m looking for
What are some of those communities you’re in for cars and tinkering? I was subscribed to both of those topics on reddit and am looking to join. I think there are probably lots like me who are here but not quite up and running.
I used the Communities link and searched for cars and DIY and engineering and subed to any of the ones which seem to have even a little bit of traffic (in the hopes that maybe things would increase eventually). For car ones, literally just “Cars” and “electric vehicles” are the only real one I bothered to sub to. Tried looking for Subaru or WRX stuff and that came up basically empty. For tinkering there is “3d Printing” and “woodworking” but I think the woodworking one is moving servers so it might disappear. Also “Machinist” but there’s no traffic in that one. Which is the case for far too many of the ones that come up.
Link to these communities.
I think part of it is a discovery problem. Which, I know, I don’t want some algorithm telling me what content to look at, but it’s tough to find all the stuff I’m interested in just by searching.
As I replied to someone else, it doesn’t help that the content moves around. Was a post in one of the subs (are they even called subs here?) that they were changing servers which apparently would mean they’d disappear if you didn’t change your settings too. For such a simple thing, you’d think it would be automatic.
they are called communities here
is it just me or is a lot of what a see are Linux/tech users mostly on lemmy, perhaps that could be why some niche communities haven’t blossomed here yet. I’m really big into metalcore music, but so far, there really isn’t the same type of community that rivals the Reddit metalcore version.
There are sooooo many Linux folks here, it’s crazy. Which is fine if that’s what they want to use, but yeah this site has certain groups that overwhelm others.
Those niche communities will remain dead for years (assuming Lemmy grows and doesn’t die). It takes a long time to build these up.
Seems like every major transition from social media platform reduces that length of time for niche communities. It also took Reddit a while to get there as well. But people are already looking for identical communities on lemmy, like the tree ents
We’re near critical mass and the more we share the apps and website, it’ll pull more people in. There’s some resistance to leaving Reddit for many, but not much.
I think the main subs are at a sustainable level, but not the niche subs. But Lemmy needs more than just politics and general news and complaining about Reddit to sustain itself.
I agree completely and I think those niche subs will fill out as we grow.
Agreed. Having a nice front page with a whole bunch of things is great, but not having those niche communities is rough even doing the transition
Where the fuck are my fellow car and tinkering nerds at? And no one does projects around the house? So few posts in some of the home owner communities as well.
I’m right here, where are you guys? Still looking for a good homeowner and DIY community on lemmy.
Homeassistant, HomeImprovement and woodworking are the only ones that I found that are mildly related and even then the traffic there is sparse.
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I got no problems joining a community, but I don’t even see HOW to do so. Usually I see a “subscribe” button or something, but I have to sign in. But I am already signed in to Lemmy. Does this mean creating a whole new account? I don’t get how and why these various sites don’t work together.
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Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !makers@communick.news
That worked. At least I believe it did.
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Suggestion: create a post in a niche community, and then cross post into a large one.
The reason I’m yet to post any threads is because sync is yet to add that ability. But the moment it is added I’ve got a few things to post. For now I’ll continue to upvote n comment
Over half my feed is just low effort memes or auto posted arstechnica articles. Does this data include bot posts?
Half the posts are also just people specualting about activity on lemmy.
Also, there is approximately 50% of postings reserved for whinging about the speculation of activity on Lemmy.
That makes just about 100% then.
The data I am interested in is on postings that are whinging about postings that are whinging. It’s the metawhinge factor that really measures the health of a community
Don’t forget all the updates about what’s going on at that other site.
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I mean I’ve been posting Moldy Memes on the memes page. Mainly just to share my ancient saved stuff, and to help boost the meme page up with more posts. I do understand the frustration, but hopefully more, active users will come around.
My feed has zero memes (except those form !risa@startrek.website which obv do not qualify as “low effort”). I think unlike with Reddit, what you see if what you subscribe to. If you don’t like what you’re seeing, change your subscriptions. Not having Reddit force stuff into the feed is nice but it also means everyone is fully responsible for what they’re seeing.
I think unlike with Reddit, what you see if what you subscribe to.
This was also the case with Reddit, unless you intentionally went to /r/all? Or am I misunderstanding you? To clarify I always used RIF or went to old.reddit and was never force-fed any content from outside my subscriptions, when I stuck to the home-page.
If you don’t like what you’re seeing, change your subscriptions. Not having Reddit force stuff into the feed is nice but it also means everyone is fully responsible for what they’re seeing.
You make a good point, but I think here’s where the current downside of Lemmy comes in, discoverability between instances are pretty bothersome and not easily handled unless you again, go to your instance /all and check what other communities other people on the instance are subscribed to.
Unless you were using old.Reddit, there is a lot of inserted and suggested content now.
I would assume so. But I see quite some organic content as well, with good interactions in the comment sections. I’m pretty happy. 90% of what was on reddit was of no interest to me as tends to be the case with any large content aggregator.
Half the posts since yesterday are people bitching about Sync ultra costing the same amount of money as a Costco hotdog combo once a month. 🙄
Trying to prune and maintain the All feed is a huge task at the moment, especially since some content might be the type of stuff you want to see sometimes, so just blocking News or Memes isn’t a perfect solution.
Having Tags for posts for easier filtering would be great, but right now sticking to a carefully selected subscribed feed has been easier, for me at least.
There are some apps - like Connect and Sync - that allow filtering keywords, domains and entire instances, should you want to try to control your All feed.
Yeah it’s quite a game of whack a mole to get rid of all those memes subs and their bot content… it’s actually worse than on reddit it seems.
I wonder how the graph will look in a month’s time now that Sync is in open beta.
As someone who never used Sync before, trust me, it will spike like crazy. I don’t know why I never used it before but this an amazing experience. If you’re reading this and trying to find a Lemmy app to use and don’t care about FOSS, get Sync ASAP
As someone who has been using sync for reddit for years, the app has come a long way and learned a lot over that time, and pretty much all of that is transferred over to the Sync for Lemmy app. The sync for Lemmy app really has a huge head start thanks to the Sync for Reddit app.
I remember when Reddit was releasing their app, they appeared to base it on Sync, and you can still see a lot of that influence today. I remember the Sync dev thinking it was all over for his app, since Reddit is copying his design and surely has a team that can develop a good app, but obviously Reddit stole a good design and ruined it.
A lot of that came from Alien Blue too (rip)
how does it compare to jerboa and connect, ive been meaning to switch full time to connect but im just used to jerboa now even though I miss that swipe to next post feature
I’ve been using 5 different apps trying to find my favourite and I like Jerboa the most, until yesterday when I found Sync.
I tried Sync yesterday, but didn’t have a lot of time to fiddle with it. What makes it so great everyone’s excited? I checked it out and couldn’t immediately see it having a clear edge over Jerboa and Connect (but it looked nice)
I was further thrown off by the fact that if I wanted to buy it, I’d need to pay for a yearly subscription (and in that case it didn’t look cheap)
Honest question for who can answer
Probably the settings and ui smoothness are what I like. I set view to compact, switch the default touch action, move the image previews to the right and turn on colored indent lines.
After I open an image preview in connect it lags weirdly when I close it. Some of the text entry when commenting felt slightly jank to me, but I’ve been using sync for a long time.
Thanks! I’ve implement your suggestions and am trying them out. It looks nice! I still am not completely sold, but am liking it
There’s a lot in there and lil j daw gave us a way to link settings, so in the sync sub people link straight to settings.
Boost for Reddit all time user here so I’d never tried Sync before. When I took a dive to Lemmy, I tried Jerboa because it was the closest thing to Boost, great little app, but it think it needs some aesthetic polishing. The I tried Connect, and oh boy it’s fast, functional, pretty (although it needs some design polishing also), and I made it look like the closest to the classic Boost list view.
Then Sync for Lemmy was released and I wanted to know what was all the hype about. How could it be as good or better than Boost for Reddit?, I thought. Well, two days and I’m seriously thinking if I ever going to switch to Boost for Lemmy when it becomes available. Blew my mind!
Yes, there are some things not quite there yet (not being able to submit posts the major flaw for me), but design wise is just aeons ahead of any other Lemmy app.
Posting is coming soon. He’s just adding all the features, like crossposting, which I don’t think any apps support yet.
I copied this from another comment of mine. My advice is just give it a shot! The set up is super quick and the app just works.
For features: incredibly customizable material design. Extremely fluid. A lot of view customization. Comment drafts are something I missed on voyager.
Paid exclusive features: Cloud backups, user specific highlighting and theming, pull text from images, translate text, saved post folders (coming soon). No ads (yes the other apps don’t have ads and are generally free).
I don’t think I have any app, Lemmy or otherwise, that follows Material You so well.
I only used Jerboa, but sync is far superior. Jerboa was so glitchy, it worked about half the time. Sync is very smooth and the developer is on it about fixing any glitches that may pop up. I’ve been using lemmy with jerboa since reddit closed the door on 3rd party apps, and I couldn’t be more relieved to have sync back.
It’s just the new gold standard. Every app trying to compete for the biggest userbase will have to match or beat Sync.
Apps that ignore Sync and just target at FOSS minded users will share the remaining portion of the pie.
Sync is Jerboa and Connect with the best ux :)
OK, convinced. Gonna try.
I always thought Sync for Reddit looked cool, but never found myself comfortable with it because RIF existed, and I always felt more comfortable with it.
I’m now using Sync and it is pretty great, but in my case it required some UI fiddling. It looks like Material Design 3, but I feel there’s something wrong with the default values for font and text size nothing that is unfixable, but just… Weird
Tweaking things to meet your usage is fantastic in Sync. The dev has some weird defaults, but assumes you want to tweak almost everything.
That’s honestly something I don’t entirely get in the case of Sync. Like, there is nothing wrong with allowing users to tweak things, but Sync is like, really heavy on the Material Design 3, you look at it, and it is undoubtedly M3. Yet, there is always something odd about the way it uses it.
Take for instance, the Navigation Bar, under Material Design Guidelines it is meant for destinations. And yet, on sync it offers:
- Home. A destination of sorts
- Explore. A button to open a bottom sheet
- Inbox. Also sort of a destination
- (optionally) Actions. Also a bottom tab
The main FAB is also weird, as it isn’t the primary action of the screen, it just opens a bottom sheet to bring more “actions” (some of which are destinations…)
Like, Sync is a very good app, but it has a few odd things that are really weird.
I’m not super sure what you’re complaining about with the navigation bar. It’s well within the realm of what Google uses them for. Go look at the YouTube app for example. It has a button on the navigation bar that opens a bottom sheet as well. I’d argue Sync’s use of it is more in-line with the guidelines than YouTube is, since the sheet for exploring is closer to a destination than a sheet for uploading different kinds of videos. The only odd thing is being able to convert the FAB into a navbar button, but at least it’s an option and not a requirement.
YouTube Music and Google Podcasts also have an “Explore” option on the navbar, they just open a page instead of a bottom navigation. He probably could convert that sheet into a page to make it more consistent, but it’s probably a sheet for usability reasons.
I think the point about the FAB is good in theory when talking about what the material guidelines say, but so few apps actually use the FAB, and I think Sync’s implementation which allows for such robust customization is a good and fairly intuitive use of it, even if it doesn’t exactly follow every guideline. It still does allow you to pick one primary action for it. It just also gives you more options.
YouTube doesn’t exactly use M3, it has some similarities, but it is pretty much its own thing. The bottom area on YouTube is also not exactly the same as the Navigation Bar from M3, the Create Button is very clearly not the same as the rest. In fact, the entire bottom area looks sort of similar to the Bottom App Bar from Material Design 2
About YouTube Music and Google Podcasts. Yeah, they have an “Explore” option, but they work vastly differently from Sync, and it isn’t even a matter of being a page vs bottom sheet. On Podcasts it works more like seeing the “Everything” feed than the explore sheet on Sync.
I think Sync would benefit from removing the “Explore” option, and changing “Posts” to “Everything”, and adding new targets from “Local” and “Subscribed” if they want to continue using the Navigation Bar.
OR, they could swap it for a Bottom App Bar, and remove the “Posts” button, and treat the Inbox as being a subscreen rather than a main destination
I don’t know enough about M3 to really comment on that, but when he updates things we cry about the changes. It looks like material design is 9 years old. He’s been developing Sync for, what, 12 years and a bit? So we’ve probably requested a lot of stupid shit, but he’s pretty good about listening. I know I was unhappy with some of the major UI updates and was happy he let me choose.
Settings shortcut: General > Base font size
I also struggled with this until I found this setting.
Ps. Be sure to set the other fonts to small, or it’s going to be so large.
I really don’t understand how so many apps get the default font size right, but Sync somehow appears to ignore system defaults or something? Like, I really like that it allows everyone to customize, but by default it looks like an app for ants
If I’m not mistaken Sync’s dev is a relatively young guy (I recall reading he was a student a few years back) which likely means he hasn’t experienced the joys of vision going downhill with age like many of us old farts have.
I’m old as shit now 👴🏻 (34)
That’s one of the reasons I used to hate Sync lol.
RIF is hot garbage for UI though.
Sorta…? Like, the outdated part is the visual, but the rest of the app is mostly fine, so you can spin the outdated visual as being minimalist or something like that. If you just updated the components to Material Design 3 it would be functional and fine.
The same couldn’t be said for Tasker for instance, which is outdated in general, and just updating the components wouldn’t fix much of the issues it currently has with the UX.
Would be great if all previous reddit apps went to lemmy. I personally can’t wait for Baconreader for Lemmy.
Apollo going to Lemmy would be the ultimate middle finger to Spez, especially with the false accusations of blackmail.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll keep using Sync as it’s actually good.
Lemmy is fun.
Lemmy does seem to have enough content and user engagement for my needs. I’ve noticed engagement going up the past month but wasn’t sure I was making that up in my head.
I really haven’t felt the need to go back to reddit much. But the niche communities could use a lot more users posting and creating new content.
I would like to thank everyone on here for the last two months or whatever it’s been from the start of the migration, and to the people just coming over, and those who were here already. I actually feel like I’ve grown as an individual in my time here. I’m starting to see certain patterns in my own behavior and working on them thanks to the content and the engaging discussions on here. I used to avoid interaction and lost all hope, but you are all really awesome. Thank you <3
First comment ever on lemmy! With reddit and the latest update moving shtiff around, it’s gotten to a point where I no longer want to be apart of that app. Not mentioning the money grubbing infants over there… So I’m trying this one out! Thanks for staying open and active! 👍
185 comments are mine! :)
And 7 posts…
To the moon!
Also think about how many more lurkers there are. There are many more lurkers than people making posts and comments.
There are dozens of us lurking!
DOZENS!!!
That was your third comment, good job :)
gettin my stats up :)
Fourth!
Yeah, I’m here too!
maybe even more!
A truly embarrassing amount of comments are mine.
Well can’t blame you. Lemmy is fun :)
Was waiting for Sync upgrade and finally I’m a daily active user of Lemmy. Finally I will be useful for the community 🥂
Having the sync app has made the transition so much easier. I don’t know if the same level of discussion will ever happen here, but I’m going to give it a try. I’m done going to the bot farm over there
🚀 more posters less lurkers!
I’m doing my part!
Right now my modus operandi is to post once in each community I see that I can provide anything for.
Welcome you guys, I ditched Reddit and made this happen.
Lurker here mostly but happy to find a new home!
all the subreddits i love had no visible immigration to lemmy so i will have to wait a while to see the change
