That doesnt take into account the people who go annually because they have family that work there and use the free tickets they get. Who are almost universally poorer than this would have them otherwise appear to be.
There’s also the “all Disnied out” class who doesn’t want to waste any more money buying tickets to stand in line at “The Evil Empire.”
This implies we all want to go to disney as if it is the ultimate goal to work towards. I’d rather go to the ZOO.
I have friends that used to go to Disney 2-3 times a year. They did not live in Florida. They used to spend so much money to go multiple times a year.
They are now declaring bankruptcy.
Going to Disney is just keeping up with the Joneses.
It is not just Disney, vacations in general for a family are very expensive but a lot of people are doing them. Granted some of thwm prolly have the money but I bet most don’t but they do it.
I don’t understand why people obsess over vacations so much. Such a weird “consumer” behaviour
I mean, I guess that depends on what you’re defining as a “vacation”. If you’re talking about some big grand trip where you spend a ton of money and show off to everyone when you get back, sure.
But that’s not my experience with vacations, nor most people I know. A vacation is a break. It’s a chance to change your daily routine, change your scenery, and just disconnect from the normal stresses of daily life for a bit. It doesn’t need to be somewhere expensive or even far away. Hell, a weekend camping trip can cost virtually nothing and is a great vacation.
And for kids, vacations can be a great bonding and learning experience with parents and siblings. It takes them out of their comfort zone and forces them to experience and try things they might not have otherwise, simply because their environment has changed. Again, it doesn’t need to be something grand or expensive. Just something different.
Vacations aren’t just “consumer” behavior. They’re pretty important in a lot of ways.
I don’t understand why people obsess over vacations
Maybe in this case where the “vacation” is just going to Disney and buying Disney themed stuff, but do you really not get the idea of a vacation in general?
I feel like (based on my experiences and talking to other people) is vacations are more for new experiences, new food, new cultures, new people. Not just “consumer behaviors”.
vacations are more for new experiences, new food, new cultures, new people. Not just “consumer behaviors”.
This. I haven’t gone to multiple countries in latin america for weeks to just buy shit. The food in lima is some of the best i’ve ever had, just don’t go alone for safety :P
My position is that tourism is cancer especially the modern version where you have idiots going to tourism traps to experience
new food, new cultures, new people.
Which is literally just “consumer behaviors”
Most historic urban cores are fucking gutten from obnoxious behaviour and these places unlivable and devoid of any culture beyond architectural style.
Alternative are cruises and resorts… Which are prolly less damaging to the cities… But what fucking culture is there
The only types of vacations you can imagine are visiting historic urban cores, going on a cruise, or going to a resort?
What about a camping trip? Or a beach trip? Or visiting family that lives far away?
I don’t think that wanting to experience other cultures is a consumerist behavior.
Pretending that visiting tourist traps in Prague or Paris or Rome is experiencing “other cultures” is a delulu mind set aka blind consumerism at its finest.
Same guy prolly think he is a “liberal” and he is fighting climate change ge while at it 🤡
Who besides you said anything about tourist traps?
Tourism money flows
Agreed. People claim flying halfway across the planet exposes them to “different cultures” , but then do the most homegenized, Westernized touristy activities. I can learn more about a country and it’s culture in a single day via Wikipedia and documentaries than most tourists will gain on their “vacation” in same country.
Eat pray love is what they are going for…
Hard rock cafe is where they end up
Haha
Then they make travel their personality on online dating apps!
Because it’s like a way to pay to maximize your time off
Staycations are way more relaxing, but are generally forgettable - a week can go by before you know it when you’re just at home
A week in a different place where you cram in as many activities and experiences in as possible creates far more memories, so it feels longer
It’s like retail therapy - a way to soothe that voice in the back of your head asking “is it really worth it to sell my life away like this?”
I like vacations that are a mix of your two descriptions: Go somewhere new, but with zero itinerary. I have the most fun that way, just organically figuring out stuff to do. Of course, still do some research ahead of time.
I think you’ve been vacationing wrong.
Fuck this noise. The only classes that matter are the people who are rich enough to own Disneyland, and everyone else. Quibbling over whose shit sandwich is bigger is just dividibg ourselves for their benefit.
“Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, but give a man a bank, and he can rob the world.”
― Jim Trotter
This is being attributed to Jim Trotter, but I can’t find a source for this claim. I can’t even find when he is supposed to have said it…
It was definitely said in Mr. Robot (2015), and it was definitely not said in the movie The Skulls (2000), no one in that entire movie ever says “bank”, despite what some people on reddit claim.According to this blog post, the oldest tweet is from 28 Nov 2011 @Bonoboism.
Maybe someone else can find a better source.
Note: I’m linking only to archives, not to either reddit or xitter.
This.
50% of the economy in the US is controlled by the “Whenever the fuck I want” class.
I consider it more of a spectrum, those who are rich enough to own Disneyland on the one hand and those who are fucked the most by the system that benefits the people who are rich enough to own Disneyland on the other. Not everyone is equally fucked by the system that benefits the people who are rich enough to own Disneyland. But you’re right about the shit sandwich.
Nah there are plenty of edible rich people who aren’t rich enough to own Disney Land
The wealthy people who can’t afford to own Disneyland are closer to you than they are the people who can afford to own Disneyland.
Don’t care. They still go on the block.
Sounds like you’ve fallen for class division propaganda.
There are billionaires and not-billionaires.
The difference between a billion dollars and a million dollars is roughly a billion dollars.
That’s a great way to run out of allies. You’re closer to being homeless than a billionaire. All war is class war, however know thine enemy. There’s over 1400 billionaires in the US. That’s plenty to start with. We can start quibbling over the rest after that 1400.
https://nonprofitquarterly.org/a-clear-eyed-look-at-the-consolidation-of-a-billionaire-class/
Yes, eat some billionaires, and then give everyone left a choice: Glorious Revolution or French Revolution.
I understand what you’re trying to do with the ‘class is the only thing that matters’, but I don’t think that is going to fly well in the US, specifically and especially when trying to get groups with troubled histories between one another to work together.
Trying to unify people by ignoring or erasing their personal or communal identities and histories is not going to be effective at unification IMO.
You sound like a Russian propagandist. It’s us against billionaires trying to eat our planet. It doesn’t get more complex than that.
1 person does not get to decide how 99% of the resources are spent.
I can assure you i’m not a Russian propagandist. You can look through my post history if you don’t believe me. I’d argue right now it’s pretty clear that the comment I’m replying to is unapologetically the propaganda here. It’s not even that I disagree with the sentiment. It’s just a bad argument for winning over folks in the US, which is full of division, and diversity of culture and opinion.
Just, like, think for even a second about who you are trying to unite against billionaires. It includes black communities, and the police who have often terrorized and weakened those communities. It includes both those who are homeless and NIMBY communities who’ve constantly lobbied to deny those homeless any type of help. It includes immigrants, and blue collar workers who’ve constantly attacked immigrants.
Regardless of whether this violence was motivated by the oppression of the ruling class, these are still actively ongoing acts of violence between working class individuals and groups. That bad blood shouldn’t be ignored. The tagline " the ruling class is our only enemy" rings hollow for those actively being attacked by other groups within the working class. The solution should not be to hand-wavingly say “let’s all just get along and unite forces”. It needs to be actively engaging with these groups, and winning people over by actually stopping the violence they experience locally.
Bad blood won’t get solved by doing nothing either. People need a common goal. Fighting against billionaires is one billions of people can get behind regardless of other demographics. It doesn’t solve the bad blood and it doesn’t erase identities it simply reminds us we can be allies against the larger issue first.
It is a catch-22 to solve the bad blood you mention before going after the billionaires because the billionaires will continue causing more bad blood and more division in the meantime. As showcased by Trump, decades of building torn down in 3mo. Doesn’t matter that he decreased taxes for the rich or openly manipulates the market for himself and other rich bastards he’s convinced 1/3 of America that its all worth it to hurt sexual and/or racial minorities. By the time you fix one divide he’s created another 5.
BuT MUh ViolEnT RevOlUtiOn!!!
Well said. Some of the people who post here are just nuts. Or edgy teens. Keep fighting the good fight for actually having nuance and common sense.
We’re not going to vote our way out of this. Violent revolution should not be the first step, however working within the system has done fuck all to stop the accumulation of wealth at the top. There is no war but class war means all of us that aren’t billionaires are in this together.
Quite the non sequitur
I don’t think this works. I know DINKs and single people who work normal jobs (and a shitload of overtime) and go to Disney like six times a year because they’re total Disney freaks. Like, adult Disney people who get Disney tattoos and shit. It’s a whole vibe.
No kids and they choose to go to Disney? You could go to any number of foreign cities or beautiful beaches and they choose Disney? Wtf?
Why go to any number of foreign cities when you can visit everything in Epcot?
/s
Literally what someone I knew said one time when I criticized them for going to Disney a bajillionth time instead of literally anywhere else in the world.
And there I was debating whether or not an \s was really needed.
Tell me about it. I think it’s bonkers.
Disney is for the real elites who also enjoy surf and turf to signal their rank.
DINKs are already an entirely separate class tbh.
Very expensive. Hwuh huh.
Is that Doug Funnie’s neighbor?
Yup!
Is that when Doug broke his grill?
I went to Disney once and I have to say I was not impressed. I mean once you went and saw it why would you go back?
I mean, the rides are pretty fun, and I could probably spend an entire week in Epcot, but it’s definitely more of an every few years thing rather than multiple times a year.
I mean people have different tastes. Some people like going backpacking around Southeast Asia. Some people like to just do road trips around the US. Some people like to fancy cultural things in France. And some people like Disney. It’s not going to be for everyone.
They get new rides, new installments, new exclusive merch, etc., but you’re right for the most part.
I would go back with my kids.
Also, typhoon lagoon is very repeatable.
Same. I went about 25 years ago when my kids were little, and I still think it’s too soon to go back.
+4. rents out the entire park for an exclusive vacations
I would say: Owns Disney
How much of Disney and where private jet
The amazing thing to me is that Disney used to be cheap entertainment. 1955 admission was $1.10 with rides costing 10 to 35 cents. A teenager could take a date there for what they’d earn in an afternoon. Prices for movies, sporting events, and concerts were similar.
This is known as the cost disease. As manufacturing gets increasingly optimized, automated and cheap, the share of income that needs to be spent on everything else increases. For example, housing and services like live entertainment or healthcare.
cost disease. I never heard of this before.
My Uncle and his family are like this, his kids are adults now and they still go to Disney every year.
We’re Canadian. and he is a staunch opponent of the Canadian Healthcare system, He believes that because he can personally throw money at a Doctor, that everyone should be treated that way, first paid first served.
Education levels in the US:
- Calls it Disney
- Calls it by the location of the park
- Calls it by the actual name of the specific park
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Goes to Disney World
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Goes to Disneyland
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Goes to Disneyland Paris.
The first two could be swapped, and isn’t Disney World “better” in many regards? One reason Disney secretly bought all the land in Florida was to better do what he wanted to do in California but couldn’t because of space and regulations.
Speaking as one of the weird adult Disney fans, DisneyWorld is bigger and had a lot more going on. I can spend a week at DisneyWorld and leave wanting more. Aside from all the things I enjoy, I relive memories from when I was young, when my wife and I were young, and when our kids were young.
I’ve been there 11 times (I think)
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When I was in elementary school and my parents took the family on a rare vacation.
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When I was in middle school and my mom was president of the school district’s music association, and she took me with when the band and chorus went to WDW because she didn’t trust my dad to take care of me without her (ha!).
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When I was in high school and went in another music association trip. My future wife was on the trip too. It was before we started dating, and we hung out in the pool.
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After my wife received her doctorate, we went to WDW to celebrate. I convinced her we should get what I think was called the “gold key” plan or something like that. Absolutely everything was included. I knew she would obsess over costs and skip things she wanted to try unless it was all included, so it changed from worrying about costs to trying to get her money’s worth.
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When our oldest kids were 5 & 7, we took them (our youngest was under 3, so she stayed with the grandparents).
6 & 7) My wife got continuing education credits at classes there, so we got discounted trips and took all three kids three more times.
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The oldest kids were too old to take our of school, but our youngest wasn’t, so we did a 4th continuing education trip with her, and the oldest two stayed with the grandparents (keeping everything fair).
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Another continuing education trip, but this time all the kids were too old to take out of school, so the wife and I went by ourselves. I thought it would be weird being alone in WDW when my wife was in class, but turns out it was fine. Odd thing is, we kept talking about wanting to take the kids again. So, when we were there we started planning another trip.
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We saved for more than 5 years. Took the three kids and two girlfriends. It was in 2021, so we were masked everywhere. Also, by this time, my wife was no longer working (disabled, had to give up her practice, no more continuing education). Handicapped hangtag for the car, and a wheelchair so she didn’t have to do much walking. On the last day, I was starting to feel really tired, and I thought it was just because of pushing get around in the chair all day every day. Actually I had picked up COVID. Of course several people at work got it at the same time, so I certainly had a better time catching it than they did.
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My wife and I were in the mood for another trip in 2023. Just us this time.
I have much less experience with Disneyland. I’ve been there once. When my wife was still working, but clearly having medical problems, she heard about a doctor in LA who she thought could help. My mom offered to pay for the airfare. I told my wife I would go even though I didn’t really think he would help. However, my price was a visit to Disneyland while we were there.
Disneyland is more “cozy”. I definitely appreciated the vibe. People talk about it having something special from being the park that Walt actually knew and worked on, and I definitely thought that was the case. I’d definitely like to return to Disneyland some day.
I’m confused on this education thing? Is it part of training, college discounts or some secret 3rd thing?
Annual training credits required to maintain her license. A professional organization would arrange for two years worth of credits to be earned in three days of classes at Disney World, with deluxe room discounts thrown in.
The room discount meant that you couldn’t get the Disney Dining plan. The first two times we just paid for meals out of pocket, but the last time we did that, the kids were growing and eating a lot. I had a bill the last time that had me sitting and panicking in a stall in the bathroom on the last day.
After that we would pass on the discounted rooms and just stay at a budget resort hotel and get the dining plan. It ended up being cheaper.
The dining plan doesn’t make sense for most people, but we were able to save money by using it.
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Not accurate. Plenty of broke people go to Disney regularly. I know a couple of them.
Yeah there’s the ‘goes into debt to go to disney’ crowd. That’s me.
Most of them up and move their entire lives to be within driving distance of it even when unable to afford. Disney families are something else
There should be another Disney class. The “Lightning Pass/Stayed at a Disney Resort/going to multiple parks over several days” Class
The park fees alone are pretty expensive if you’d like to see more than just “Disneyland” and want to see EPCOT, Studios, etc. The try to ride the rides during any popular season you buy Lightning Passes for hundreds or even a thousand more per person, pay for parking over multiple days, stay at an expensive “resort” property…
Yeah. You can go “cheap” and stay off property, but it’s a whole different experience.
Fuck Disney, fuck dividing the non-super rich
As a British guy who worked in the USA for a while, my colleagues couldn’t fathom that I had no interest in going to Disneyland. It was kinda weird the obsession some of them had with it.
Cult of Disney is eerily real. Maybe it’s the US version of how some Brits obsess over the royalty.
Yeah, it’s weird and cringy how into it some adults are. I think part of it is status, though. Everyone knows Disney is expensive, so taking your family is a way to show off your status to everyone with the pics you take for social media.
It used to not be that out of line with other amusement parks, but has gotten unattainablely expensive in the last decade or so.
Universal is better anyways.
I remember growing up in the UK and Disneyland or Disney world was always a bit of a joke about giving loads of offers but no takers.
Then again, it wasn’t until I met Americans growing up did I realize how seriously they took Thanksgiving too.
