Things didn’t end well for the last guy…
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Why do they have to work? Doesn’t it make more sense to shutdown US airports?
Or just run them without TSA, like we used to before 9/11
Because people need to eat.
Also, some air travel is essential.
Or do you want to stop medical couriers from delivering organs for transplant?
Lol the idea of a medical courier waiting in line at the TSA rummaging through their organ containers because they flagged it sus in the x-ray machine.
They said shut down the airport. That includes couriers.
Are you trying to imply…that the medical couriers …are transporting …food?
You do know that ‘also’ is a word used to separate two different points, right?
Yeah but implying that medical couriers are selling their payloads on a cannibal black market is juicer than a fat mans liver.
With some fava beans.
And a nice chianti.
I’m not?
Juicer than a fat mans liver? I dunno man I never met you.
It would be a lot cooler if you were
They are only doing it in the first place because they need to eat
Or do you want to stop medical couriers from delivering organs for transplant?
The rich would give in long before this and have the mattered settled in an emergency meeting because they have places they want to go
You think they pass by tsa?
No, hence why I said shutting down airports
Yes, but private airports, or airstrips, exist and probably have little to no TSA involvement. Some guy nearby lands his helicopter in his back yard.
You one comment ago:
Doesn’t it make more sense to shutdown US airports?
You this comment:
The rich would give in long before this and have the mattered
Which is it? Does it make sense to shut down U.S. airports or is that something that wouldn’t happen?
How are you confused on that
If they were to announce airport shutdowns then the budget would be passed to prevent that
You didn’t say announce a shutdown. If you meant announce it and not actually do it, you sure weren’t clear about that since you said it would make sense to do it.
Did we not abolish the TSA yet? Funny how we’re always losing ground on everything.
You don’t like poorly trained, poorly paid rent-a-cops screaming at you to take of your shoes and empty your pockets and x-ray you while they steal your Nintendo Switch?
“let them eat cake” -Elon Musk
Musk and Trump showed me, that I don’t have to think about being a good enough person… Obviously I easily am (it’s enough not to kill/rape/extort,… who would have thought it’s so easy?)
And they ripped out funding for pediatric cancer research. $250 million… or around 0.05% of president Musk’s net worth. Why do repubs hate kids with cancer?
Also 900 million will not be going to North Carolina hurricane relief.
Cold heartless bastards
Assuming I did my math correctly these two things would have been a combined total of .002% of the federal budget.
Can’t buy a B2 with hurricane relief.
why can’t north carolina use hurricane insurance instead of relying on the feds?
Why can’t the government take care of it’s people instead of making them rely on private insurance? It’s the government. They should be doing things like taking care of their citizens during times of crisis.
this isn’t something unpredictable there are consistent tropical storms in North Carolina as with most of the south east United states.
Yeah, those people living in the (checks notes) mountains in (checks notes again) inland North Carolina knew the risks of not getting Hurricane insurance!
Technically it was a tropical storm. Case denied.
They want to strip away everything that reduces infant mortality, so that people start having more kids again since so many of them will die young.
Then later they give it back, and since they already took away the right to abortion… Boom, population explosion and a bunch of poor kids are born to later be exploited in factories and wars.
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It’s a fetus, not a child.
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No. A fully developed human would be post-pubescent. Until then you are either a fetus incapable of living outside your mother’s body, or a baby capable of independent life with some sort of care.
Fetuses are NOT babies. Stop being obtuse.
Okay, I don’t agree with the emotional concept that a fetus is a person innately, but I can at least understand where that type of thinking comes from. Claiming it’s a fully-developed human is just demonstrably wrong. You’re entitled to your opinion, but feelings aren’t facts. I sincerely hope this is a sad attempt at trolling.
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I’m trying so hard not to reply to this nonsense…
What is your solution for fetal anomalies that will inevitably lead to stillbirth or death in the first few hours of life? What is your solution for pregnancy abnormalities that put the life of the mother at serious risk? What is your solution for women who are desperately trying to escape monstrously abusive relationships that got pregnant from marital rape or coercion?
Ooo, gaslighting. Another word you don’t understand. Keep going. I’m so close.
A fetus is objectively not fully formed. What do you think its doing in the womb for all those months, just hanging out? When abortions happen its just a bundle of cells that cant think, breathe, or live on its own.
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A tiny cluster of cells is not a “fully developed human”
Then how come they can’t survive without leeching off a host? 80% of pregnancies spontaneously end in miscarriage. That doesn’t sound viable or fully developed to me. If it could survive outside the womb, you’d have a point. But it can’t, so you don’t.
You know who was actually fully-developed? All the women who have died due to pregnancy complications thanks to draconic laws that take away their rights over their own bodies. I’ll hold you responsible for murdering them.
You clearly don’t know biology do you & are you capable of sustaining yourself I you were left in a jungle ? BTW, it’s around 13.5 percent but regardless it’s not 80% (that’s a lie)
- American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. (2020)
- National Center for Health Statistics. (1999). Trends in Pregnancies and Pregnancy Rates.
- JAMA Network. (2020)
I hold you responsible for the billions of deaths of unborn children, because of your stupidity & selfishness & inhumanity
BTW, it’s around 13.5 percent but regardless it’s not 80% (that’s a lie)
Sure, if you only measure after 6 weeks.
For women of reproductive age, losses between implantation and clinical recognition are approximately 10–25%. Loss from implantation to birth is approximately one third [39, 46, 48, 49].
A recent re-analysis [39] of data from three studies [46, 48, 49] concluded that, in normal healthy women, 10–40% is a plausible range for pre-implantation embryo loss and overall pregnancy loss from fertilisation to birth is approximately 40–60%.
You clearly don’t know biology do you
Says the person claiming a fetus is a fully developed human.
are you capable of sustaining yourself I you were left in a jungle ?
Millions of people live in the jungles of the world. How many fetuses live outside wombs? Oh right, none. Because there’s a difference between having the skills to survive in the jungle, and being a fully developed human capable of independent biological survival.
Have you ensured that every single one of your gametes resulted in a child? Then you’re a genocidal hypocrite.
By definition a fetus is not a fully developed human…
If you don’t want to have an abortion, no one’s ever been forcing you.
Why you think it’s appropriate to force others is weird.
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Nah, you don’t really believe that.
You already know that in an abortion, no one is typically killing the fetus (which btw is less of a human than a chicken egg is human), they’re just removing it from the body it’s parasiting off of. Not the mother’s fault it can’t survive, and I’m pretty sure you’re for curing cancer or tape worm which also contain more human dna than a fetus does.
Besides, in many cases the fetus is already dead or terminal anyway.
And even if this was codified under law as murder, it wouldn’t be the mother doing it, but a licensed professional, much like police, soldiers or wardens.
Thats’s a lot of mental gymnastics to insert yourself into someone’s health care and sex life. That’s kind of weird…
Republicans have spread this myth that women use abortion like birth control. Just like the myth of the black welfare Queen, spitting out kids just to draw a check. It’s all bullshit and they know it, they just hate poor people.
tape worm which also contain more human dna than a fetus does.
Not that im disagreeing with your overall argument, but a fetus has 100% human dna… otherwise it wouldnt develop into a human lol
A fetus does indeed have 100% human DNA, but a tape worm has about 70% human DNA.
An 8 week fetus is about 20 g, an 8 week tape worm can become up to 30 ft, weighing several pounds. 70 % of a pound is more than 20 g.
And with the new slave mother laws, the fetus isn’t more than a handful of grams at the cut off date, making it all the more poignant.
I’m pro-choice, but saying a fetus doesn’t have human DNA is fucking retarded.
I assume you’ve adopted multiple unwanted children in the foster system including severely disabled ones, right?
Since you think that “unborn children” shouldn’t be “killed,” you’ve got to be a major part of the solution.
Tell me about your severely disabled kids you adopted from the foster system.
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Oh fuck right off with that bullshit. Abortions are a medical procedure. Women have died because they can’t get them. Or should we just let fetuses that die in utero rot inside the womb and kill the poor woman who lost her baby through no fault of her own?
That’s just one example off the top of my head.
Nobody wants to or is killing children. That’s some hyperbolic bullshit.
I just went through about 3 pages of their comment history.
Therein lies a tale.
There are no orphanages in the U.S.
Also, please name the 100% effective contraceptive.
Besides abstinence and surgical sterilization.
Fair, but I would suggest that married couples who want more than one child should be allowed to choose to have as much sex as they want until they’re ready to have that next child. Of course, anti-abortion crusaders never think about the fact that it isn’t just those dirty sluts getting abortions. Married people have sex too.
Is it too late to abort you? Because you blatantly fail at having a basic grasp on reality.
Get the fuck out of here
Everyone hates kids in general
You know what everyone hates more? A grown adult behaving like a kid.
Spoken like a true “Adult behaving like a kid” Why don’t you refute my points like an adult
Because reminder murder of a pregnant woman is counted as double homicide
I don’t want nor will ever have kids, so please take it to heart when I say: You are behaving like an immature toddler.
For the double murder point, the fetus is classified as a potential human.
Why can’t I get life insurance on a fetus?
Or just don’t show up to work, and start looking for another job.
What they gonna do? Shoot you for “being sick and unable to report to work”?
Message for Government Employees: If you work a government job, DON’T GO TO WORK WHEN THE GOVERNMENT IS SHUT DOWN. Fuck that BS, don’t let the government treat you like a slave. Calling out from work is not a crime (even if it is, fuck them anyways).
All TSA agents should strike at the same time those days, wearing green hats and fake mustaches
Nothing would change, the TSA does nothing but harass lawful citizens.
Yeah lol, people would probably have a great travel experience and want to make it permanent. Strikes only work if your job is important to someone, otherwise they work against you
I’m gonna guess that the airports will shut down in the US if TSA is not available. They’re not just gonna let people through without any security in place.
They let people through unscreened on holidays. I let them buy me out of my ticket on a long weekend once and flying the next day was so nice. A few dozen of us were just waved past security and right to the gate. Just had to show we had a boarding pass. This was at a big Texas airport too.
If the choice is profits or security for customers…
Right, because all the terrorists are just waiting for an impromptu TSA strike.
They aren’t allowed to strike.
Disruption is the point of striking.
They are legally not allowed to strike. They would be fired immediately for dereliction of their position. It’s part of the negotiation when they take a federal job.
If the government is going to be derelect in its duty to pay its workers, then workers can do the same to their positions.
Though I would be looking for another job and quit without notice when one is found in this case. Fuck Musk. No one voted for his ass.
What will they do if all TSA agents are fired tho?
Go to work and do nothing but look for a new job on your phone. What are they gonna do, not pay you anymore?
So far they’ve gotten paid every time, just late.
So far…
If my job ever skips a check I’m not coming back until I get it. Fuck that. Everyone not getting paid because of this should stay home and let chaos happen. Cause some real consequences to Musk and the rest of them.
Theater of security isn’t helpful anyway
Unfortunately it wouldn’t come to removal of said theater, it will leed to unpaid employees doing a bad job
Indeed. Doing other way around is much better.
You’re kind of missing the point
I get it, but having people feel bad for the TSA of all organizations is a tall order. Why not pick a less controversial gov agency effected like say the National Parks and Museums?
Probably because parks and museums usually just close whenever this happens, so they’re not working without pay. They’re just on an indefinite suspension
And yet I can feel for them more, If the TSA was gone tomorrow I could not care.
The way it setup it will not mean the removal of the stupid safety theater, it will mean the closing of the airport.
I know, and that makes me even less inclined to have sympathy for the TSA as a whole. I know I should feel bad for the people working at the TSA, but I can’t.
Out of the loop, what do you mean SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT???
It’s a thing that’s been happening a lot over the past few years where US politicians refuse to sign bills that approve government spending (such as continuing to pay government employees) until their demands about some unrelated thing are met.
I believe the term for this is “political blackmail”.
Why it is accepted and legal, I don’t understand.
Sounds like terrorism to me
No, no, terrorism is when you kill people who have money.
because it’s a tool that can be useful
It shouldn’t have to be useful. This is just a sign of failed governance.
It’s useful in a healthy democracy. Which the US isn’t.
Maybe as a last resort. Not the defacto standard, every couple of months let’s hold the entire government hostage.
Hey let’s do some really evil shit and if you don’t agree, we’re gonna shut down the government and not pay anyone.
Don’t worry, the DEA will work for IOUs until the matter is settled.
TSA agents are ineffectual on the best of days, but without pay? Between that and the amazing production quality at Boeing I’m quite content to not fly anywhere.
I’m sorry but, FUCK THE TSA. Go join a real theater group, assholes.
Fuck the TSA, but the people who work there because it is a paying job deserve stable employment like the rest of us. They don’t make the decisions.
Does this goes for the police as well?
When they have enough oversight that the “thin blue line” is no longer a thing.
Everyone should know the Chris Dorner story.
People being forced to work without pay is slavery. No one deserves to be a slave, even if they’re normally paid to do something and that something is not useful.
It’s sad that this is apparently a unique take. Sure, “fuck giant corporations”, I agree. But pay the fucking workers who literally do everything.
Nobody is forcing them to take security theater jobs oppressing other people. Even the workers can get fucked imo.
Because it’s so easy to find a job.
I guess if all you do is worship at the altar of the dollar bill and have no morals then this is a logical argument to make.
Or, you know, have children that rely on you.
But yeah, fuck them.
Let them eat cake.They’ll be fine.You’re acting like it’s the only job in the world. Maybe don’t have kids if the only way you can put food on the table is by ruining air travel for 100% of people?
Just a reminder that Elon Musk is not from the United States.
…which is why he had to buy a president instead of buy the presidency.
He’s legally a US citizen by way of his mother.
Nevermind how much “god damn those evil foreigners are at it again” rhetoric makes me gag. Peter Thiel and Marc Andressen are fully American and they suck just as hard. If anything, the problem isn’t Elon, its Stanford University and the endless line of factory produced insane far-right techbro degenerates that it rolls out which gave us our modern hellscape.
Sorry, but unemployed TSA should get no sympathy. In fact, if you want to kill government programs, it should be at the front of the line. Pork barrel security theater bullshit.
It’s not the employees’ fault, saying they should get no sympathy is a dick move.
That aside, I agree the TSA is a great example of the kind of spending that needs cut and the department dissolved.
Have you seen the kind of people these kinds of jobs attracts? We aren’t talking about Starbucks workers, we are mostly talking about people that get off on power trips.
Yeah I was going to say this. Just because their pay is shit, does not make TSA employees nice people.
You don’t exactly work together to keep those psychos out dontcha
For real. Like Fox News pundits, they’re being paid to not understand the consequences of their own work. They’re a drain on tax funds performing ineffective security theater at the cost of convenience, privacy, and sometimes the flights of ordinary people. If you’re TSA, you should consider something else that would be of greater social benefit.
How about their kids? Should they get sympathy? Because these people won’t be able to feed them.
Government shutdowns affect far more than just the employees, and in this case those employees are literally being used as slaves. Maybe that deserves sympathy too… unless you think “idiots on power trips” deserve to be enslaved. I don’t think anyone does personally.
Do you have that same attitude towards ICE agents kids?
People lose their jobs all the time and still feed their kids. A government shutdown is a good thing.
Yes, I do. Because people deserve to be paid. Not paying someone and forcing them to work has a name. Slavery.
If you get hired for a job, even if it’s an immoral job, you deserve to be paid. People who work at payday loan places, people who work for TurboTax, people who work on oil rigs, people who work on factory farms and slaughterhouses all deserve to be paid and children do not deserve to suffer because politicians can’t get their shit together.
A government shutdown is in no way a good thing just because certain government departments you personally don’t like will not pay their employees. There’s a lot of other people who are helpful that also will not be getting paid.
Or do you think it’s a good thing to not have things like air traffic controllers and food inspectors? If so, you’re a libertarian and you will be very unhappy with Trump’s dictatorship.
If the government shuts down, it means they go home, not that they’re forced to work without pay.
David Pekoske, the head of the TSA, tweeted that 95% of TSA employees are classified as essential workers and will work without pay in the event of a shutdown. Air traffic controllers are also considered essential employees and would be asked to work without pay. Federal employees would receive backpay after the shutdown ends.
Second time I’ve had to do this in this thread.
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Working on oppression is not a job to be respected.
It’s a fucking TSA agent. They don’t really have the power to oppress you, just to annoy you to no end.
Fuck the TSA it’s a jobs program. They are so goddamn worthless.
Oh so you’re pro-cop?
Being a “worker” does not absolve you of being a class traitor.
Yalls petty ass arguing is a prime example of why the fascists just won. Can’t agree on a god damn thing and just tearing each other apart over petty bullshit
What an irrelevant comment.
What are you ? A right-winger
But they’re going to get paid when the budget is approved again, right?
It’s a problem for who lives paycheck to paycheck, though
Most people making 50k are working 4th-next-paycheck to 5th-next-paycheck tho.
And Christmas accentuates the problem as we collectively decided that we need to spend a paycheck in useless stuff to gift each other
