I don’t think it’s funny, more like it feels good to see an atom of justice done for once. One murder changes nothing, it has no value as far as changing the system, but the symbolic value is through the roof.
Here’s the thing: even if we change the healthcare system tomorrow, they get to keep their billions. We can change the system, but there will be no justice because one of the principles of our legal system is that justice isn’t retroactive. So seeing one of the guilty parties killed is an example of retribution that is very rare and exhilarating.
Just not funny per se
one of the principles of our legal system is that justice isn’t retroactive
There have been plenty of cases in history where this didn’t hold.
King Charles I of England. King Louis XVI of France (not to mention the rest of his far-less-culpable family). Many prominent Nazis post-WWII. When society collectively decides that someone’s actions were heinous enough and caused enough harm, at a certain point a law can be created and applied retroactively, often on the grounds that there was a clear violation of some greater principle that should be self-evident.
I like how you missed the “our legal system” when giving examples entirely outside the legal system in which this killing took place.
Umm, no, not really? King Louis maybe, but the Common Law system used across most former UK colonies traces a line back to before King Charles’ execution, and the Nuremberg Trials were set up by the Allies (which prominently includes the US and UK) and form an important basis of 21st century international law.
Yeah, it’s heartwarming
It gives me hope that maybe the distant future doesn’t include a privileged class using the rest of us as free labor, fuel, and food…
Just as a comment, not a suggestion: a society that squeezes its people has to either repress them hard, or at some point expect it to start boiling over. The mob lynching the leaders is what happens once the mob gets desperate enough and are not heard.
And said repression often is one of the last straws before the people reach boiling point. :)
Call every crime tipline and report the person responsible for this death and many others - That person’s name was Brian Thompson.
Still reminds me of the time they sent out a sketch of the uni bomber and musician/professional jokester Weird Al did this
This can be the start of our revolution
It’s not funny it’s 🥾⏳
Boot time?
Say it like a Canadian. It’s aboot time.
Ahhhhhhhh I see
My theory is that it’s just that episode of Its Always Sunny from the new season. Dennis is placed on a customer service loop and eventually gets so frustrated with robot receptionists, scripted tier 1 support, and a system designed to waste our time and pit us against each other, that he tracks down the CEO of the car company at his beach house and rips his heart out of his chest and eats it.
So maybe someone should try that next time?
Its all his counterparts at the other insurance scams that I’m laughing at. Suddenly they are considering their actions have consequences they can’t control with more lawyers.
This is the thing.
While I doubt it’ll have any actual difference being seen by anyone anywhere, if this killing were followed up by a few more, or even a dozen more in short order, you would see change.
Most of it not the kind we’d hope for (tightened security, lockdown corridors for high profile individuals, even less access and interface with these people, etc…not concessions to decency, honesty, civility, humanity, etc.) but you bet your ass that it’d be living rent free in the back of every CEO and billionaire on the planet for a long time.
I didn’t impart the idea that it would change things. Just that for once those horrible people have felt the truth. The truth is that no one is safe even if someone isn’t out to get them. Now they are certain that someone is out to get them. It won’t make them better people. Pretty much the opposite.
Yes.
The problem is that now the rest of them will fortress up making it much harder.
But this will cost them. Make it so expensive that they won’t gain anything.
That’s 50/50. At some point a guard will say it’s not worth it.
I really wondering if the detectives in charge of the investigation are bring their A-game or if maybe they have a loved one who was denied coverage.
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How hated must you be when suddenly leftists, tankies, fascists, conservatives and liberals find themselves in quiet agreement about their feelings on your murder. Even the silence from gun control advocates is deafening.
“Quiet”?
It’s the thing the people who are CEOs don’t want us to think about. It’s not leftists, tankies, fascists, conservatives against each other. It’s them against everyone else.
To be fair, this isn’t really a “gun control” type situation. A single, targeted, killing, would have been just a successful if it were done with a knife instead. The gun control arguments are more applicable to spree killings.
I mean, the guy would have been able to write their whole message on one knife rather than needing three bullet casings to get it across.
So I guess environmentalists and the metal industry (Big Metal?) would probably care a bit?
Absolutely not. We simply have to deal with those killing sprees and just feel bad when it happens because the alternative is the state doing the killing sprees and nobody having any answer.
I’m confused. Are you saying that the gravy seals have any hint of a chance against the US army?
Did…did the good guy with a gun finally show up?
He’s got milk and cigarettes for everyone!
That’s why the ruling class pushes all the wedge issues and divisiveness they do. If we could talk to each other, we’d find we had more in common than otherwise expected. I thought the recent surge in union activity could have continued to a general strike across the nation. The rich know what unites us and actively seems to keep us fractured so we don’t realize our combined power.
Maybe this dude will be a catalyst in a revolution that sets these disgusting, wealthy leeches in their place.
Maybe this dude will be a catalyst in a revolution that sets these disgusting, wealthy leeches in their place.
Even if this isn’t the one, the accelerated pace at which we’re having moments that might should scare the oligarchs
Everyone has been feeling the pressure of “something is about to happen” for the better part of a decade. That pressure has to vent somewhere.
Kind of seems like there’s no war but the class war.
The few precious moments of shared class consciousness.
There’s nothing quiet about the agreement on Lemmy over this.
The quiet part is the agreement with others you completely disagree with almost always, and even often despise.
find themselves in quiet agreement
Nothing quiet about it.
Finally, some American (I assume here he is) shows they know how to use a gun!
Now, where was he for the Olympics…
(hopefully, training for this masterful moment)
This is what a patriot looks like.
The only person in the whole country using the second amendment correctly (successfully, anyway)
Eh, going off solo and only taking out a single target is not exactly a wave of citizens applying their rights.
Now, if this solo guy keeps going and only targets similar people, then we’ve got a solid case that the goal is actually to fight tyranny and exert the will of the people.
One CEO down is murder. A hundred is a movement. All of them is revolution.
Yeah, people actually doing what the second amendment was explicitly written to allow them to do looks like, uhhh… January 6, 2021.
Well, yeah.
Just because they were idiots, with the goal of putting an even bigger idiot on a throne doesn’t mean they didn’t have a right to revolution.
Thing is, a failed revolution, insurrection, or coup has a different name: treason.
It’s not a game. You either take action and succeed, or you’re a criminal. Doesn’t matter who’s in charge, what the political landscape is, what the principles being fought for are. You fail, you’re fucked.
We don’t have to like the January 6th morons, or the core individuals that used the bigger crowd as cover for the actual attempted coup and killings. But the 2nd is, in part, about the populace having the means you overthrow, resist, or otherwise exert their ownership of their own nation. I’m glad they failed, but I don’t object to them exerting a core human right.
But they also have to understand that they failed, and that (barring trump pulling some pardons out of his ass) they’ll have to do the time if/when convicted.
Had they succeeded, they’d be heroes to their supporters, and the rest of us would have had to decide whether or not to take similar steps, whether or not to take up arms and retake the nation.
Not an American here so, asking for clarification, but isn’t the 2nd Amendment purely and solely about the right to organize into militias and not about what such militias are for? So, it guarantees you can have your gun but not that you can just up and use it to upend Human Rights because “lol someone wrote it in 1776”?
Nah, that’s a pretty common misconception.
A militia is an army of the people. In order to be that army, the people must be armed.
When you go back and look at everything else documented at the time of the framing of the constitution, and later the bill of rights, a huge portion of the 2nd was specifically about making sure that an unjust government could be taken down by the populace. It wasn’t the only reason, but it was a big one.
Remember, these were a bunch of British subjects overthrowing their legal ruler and claiming self governance.
There is a fundamental concept that all power is vested in the people, and anything that stands against that is subject to revolt.
That’s a core human right. It is not one to be used lightly, but it is fundamental to the whole country as it is directly enumerated in the bill of rights, second only to the three core freedoms that are/were considered big enough to list first.
There is debate about what is called the individual mandate, but if you go back to the concepts the framers discussed, and the way they overturned British rule, it kinda stops making sense to say it wasn’t an individual mandate. Most of the arguments made against it are completely misrepresenting what militia and (more importantly) “well regulated” mean.
See, a revolution isn’t an upending of human rights, it’s the ultimate expression of one of them. Access to arms (it isn’t just guns, at all) is necessary for people to express a right to self governance in the face of an established government. In theory, any arms would be allowed, but once you get beyond man portable weaponry, you run into enough resistance that trying to argue for that is pointless.
Besides, one of the first steps in any sustained revolution is seizing the arms of the rulers, so (again in theory) having arms sufficient to take police and/or national guard level armories, that’s good enough. So it isn’t worth trying to fight for things to be expanded when there’s already a fight to just keep things as they are regarding firearm access in specific.
The language has shifted over two plus centuries, in other words. Militia isn’t a big, organized thing at all, or it wasn’t then. It was a group of the people called up, or self organizing, to take action as needed. At the time, a standing army was (among some of the founders) something to be prevented. The term wel regulated would have meant more well supplied, maybe well trained or ready, depending on who you ask. Which in turn means that the 2nd is primarily about every person being armed and ready if needed, so that all that was necessary is the need being known.
There’s a meme about the idea that goes “something, something, tree of liberty needs watering”. It refers to something said by Thomas Jefferson, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Which is an out of context statement that comes from a Letter he wrote, which is excerpted in that link, and which links to the full letter in turn.
The states were built on the blood of tyrants and patriots. It’s too dear to the core ethos of us, the descendants of those that shed that blood to ever be totally erased.
The more-or-less stated goal of the second amendment is that the people have the tools needed to overthrow the government if they need to.
I appreciate the sentiment, but there’s a while cult of people dedicated to using it correctly that you never hear of because they never shoot anyone.
People aren’t happy someone was murdered. People are happy that the physical representation of an industry that should prioritize health and treatment but only prioritizes profit got what it probably had coming to it.
I’m kinda happy. Hope it happens more too. Aaaand ima get banned aren’t I?
No mods, I didnt see any comment.
Nah, this ain’t lemmy.world.
For the record I’m very happy about this.
both your accounts are on world, though, and at this point i honestly wouldn’t be shocked to hear that you woke up tomorrow to find you could no longer log in
What do you mean both? I only have one account.
You and the guy you’re replying to
Oh, duh. Sorry.
I for one wholeheartedly endorse this violence for it’s reasons.
I mean fuck it. Reddit banned me for endorsing violence with a tongue in cheek comment that really didn’t endorse shit despite how I made and grew one of the most famous subreddits.
Nothing is safe when a dude over there can make rotten decisions you can’t physically do shit about. I’m gonna support the “physically do shit about it” people. Getting banned from Reddit did my health wonders.
Those fuckers banned me for “inciting violence” when I made a joke about melting guns down into bullets, and “glorifying violence” when I said I think it’s funny when conservatives die from drinking listeria milk.
I’m with you. I’m glorifying this violence, and I hope the gunman never gets caught. If he does, catch me donating to his defense fund.
I’ll give a shit about Thompson’s family grieving the day the day that no American dies from lack of access to insulin. How many grieving families do these whiny fucking centrists ignore every six minutes on average?
RIP ur account when an admin sees it
Aaaand ima get banned aren’t I?
What is this, reddit.com? There’s no bourgeois advertisers or venture capitalists to appease here. [0]
edit: just noticed your account is registerd on lemmy.world… consider exploring other instances just in case they get out the banhammer. but, I mean, they can’t ban all of you.
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haha rabid in what way?
not ne… your .world yeah your banned
Dunno what made you think people aren’t happy he was murdered. I’m quite pleased that he got what was coming to him. He has destroyed countless families and relationships. The only injustice is that we can’t reanimate his corpse and kill him again.
And it also shows the rich getting to experience the find out part after constantly fucking around.
I’m glad he was offed. People like that simply don’t deserve to live. If you despise human life, why should yours be respected at all?
This coming from a non-american, anti-religious misanthropist.
I’m just here so I don’t get fined
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It was a PERSON that was murdered.
nooo how dare you push the lever :(Protip: knowing how to type while holding SHIFT does not make you CORRECT.
Morally not condoning murder of an innocent makes me correct.
Feel free to not condonde the murder of an innocent all you want, but that’s another case, not this one.
nah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_murder
So were all the people who died from denied care so he could buy a yacht or fourth house or whatever.
How many people died to make his company more money?
It was a PERSON that was murdered.
So was Jeffrey Dahmer.
Brian had a way higher k/d ratio though, so thats really unfair to Jeffrey.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ people die everyday
Sometimes they die because the health insurance that they pay for gets rejected.
Right? Fuck people
I’m not entirely convinced that billionaires should be considered human
43 millionaire. He was 957 million short of his first billion. He was comfortably in the top 1%, but not anywhere close to the top .1%.
And, for an instant, she stared directly into those soft blue eyes and knew, with an instinctive mammalian certainty, that the exceedingly rich were no longer even remotely human.
Gibson, Count Zero
He wasn’t a billionaire. Not even close.
Maybe people shouldn’t consider you human.
Sounds like you care about someone very rich and very exploitative, and you don’t like the idea of scores of people cheering in the event they’d have the same done to them by someone they’d exploited.
I want to assure you that we do not care about your feelings. We’ll celebrate their passing and few will sympathize with your grief.
I don’t agree with innocent people being gunned down for no reason.
“For no reason?” Were you hatched yesterday, or something?
I’m gonna guess you’re not worried about someone else, you’re feeling some kind of guilt about exploiting a lot of people.
Neither do I. Hence I celebrate that he was gunned down for good yes reason.
It’s sick to think there’s people like you in the world who condone killing innocent people just because you don’t like them.
If he ever starts hoarding piles of gold like an angry dragon, you may have a point
A person? No, it was lots of people who were murdered. Fortunately, they got the guy who was doing it.
The person who murdered the CEO has not been caught so you are wrong.
Is it murder to shoot someone who’s in the process of murdering people in order to stop them from committing murder?
Doubt
I mean, sort of.
To be that cold blooded he was definitely a reptile of some sort.
Let’s not offend reptiles like this. Cockroaches, maybe.
Yeah you’re right, I’ve handled wild garter snakes that are more nice then that guy.
He was a person. Dehumanizing him like you did is similar to how Hitler dehumanized people. Congrats on being like Hitler.
“LiTERalLy HiTleR”
You are being like Hitler too.
Is your retort the 8-year old version of “I know you are but what am I?”
No.
Yeah, but the person was a murderer to begin with.
The kind of PERSON who celebrates profiting off of making people suffer by snorting coke off his buddies cocks. Deny, defend, depose.
He wasn’t a rock?!??
